How to permanently turn off the Auto Start/Stop button

[rpoffen]

Hey thanks for this! The 2022 also has the birds eye view button but your tutorial is still sound. It might be worth mentioning that very little tape is needed. I also folded the tape adhesive side out thinking that may help it stick to enclosure/button and prevent falling out when the two pieces are clipped back together. Love the fact it’s just as easy to undo. Too bad it just doesn’t remember it’s state when restarted.

This module remembers the setting when restarted

ISG and Auto-Hold Memory Module - Various Applications

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[iQMe]

to let you all know the facelift model doesnt have idle stop and start. So this is no longer an issue.

Must be aus specific. Cdn facelift/22 still has it. Interesting … mine remembers the auto on brake feature.

 

[Reldas]

Must be aus specific. Cdn facelift/22 still has it. Interesting … mine remembers the auto on brake feature.

yes i found out the other day that the auto hold function gets remembered, i never use it but might as well leave it on i guess.

 

[winjury]

This came out a few months ago. Cost just over $100 but takes care of that button. Done. autostopeliminator.com/collections/kia-auto-start-stop-disable/products/2020-kia-stinger-autostop-eliminator


for some reason i cant put a true "link"....not sure why. add "www." before autostopelim.....

 

[Landshark]

This came out a few months ago. Cost just over $100 but takes care of that button. Done. autostopeliminator.com/collections/kia-auto-start-stop-disable/products/2020-kia-stinger-autostop-eliminator


for some reason i cant put a true "link"....not sure why. add "www." before autostopelim.....

a 1k resistor costs pennies (or "free" if you already have one).

disabled mine almost 2 years ago with a resistor, still no issues. probably a much quicker install, too.

 

[Thomby]

a 1k resistor costs pennies (or "free" if you already have one).
disabled mine almost 2 years ago with a resistor, still no issues. probably a much quicker install, too.

It's great to see a follow-up on this. Even though the built-in 220 ohm resistance should limit the current & power the microcontroller has to handle constantly, I have no idea what it's rated for, but adding a 1k will bring the levels so much lower it should be moot.

For anyone else who stumbles across this, here's a post on the other thread showing that if shorting the button lets about 0.1 watts run through it constantly, a 1k ohm resistor gets you down to about 0.02 watts:

Idle Stop and Go disable

Heres kind of an unintended hack of the ISG feature. I bought and started using a dashcam a year ago. Its plugged into the auxiliary power outlet 24/7, and since then my ISG has not worked. Ive never been stranded even leaving car parked for a week as i have a second vehicle and because...

stingerforum.org

 

[winjury]

a 1k resistor costs pennies (or "free" if you already have one).

disabled mine almost 2 years ago with a resistor, still no issues. probably a much quicker install, too.

This is true, but id rather not put a resister inline in case there are ever any warranty issues all id have to do it unplug the above product.

 

[Landshark]

This is true, but id rather not put a resister inline in case there are ever any warranty issues all id have to do it unplug the above product.

even easier to remove the resistor LOL ... its pressed into the back of the connector under the switches - there is no cutting or soldering.

 

[winjury]

even easier to remove the resistor LOL ... its pressed into the back of the connector under the switches - there is no cutting or soldering.

and this cuts into the wire... and if there is ever a warranty issue with the vehicle start /stop they will find this cut guaranteed.

 

[StingerVetteMan]

I actually just ordered the one from autostopeliminator.com. I like that it is a nice clean installation and it remembers the last mode you use, incase you do want to turn on the Start/Stop function.

 

[Thomby]

and this cuts into the wire... and if there is ever a warranty issue with the vehicle start /stop they will find this cut guaranteed.

You don't pierce the harness wires, you push the resistor's leads parallel to the wires into the connector itself. I did it the other day and it took 2 minutes to test fit, snip to length, and secure with a small piece of electrical tape (after 5 minutes gently prying up the console!)

If you did manage to pierce the wire insulation, it would be down in the connector itself, and I find it hard to believe a service tech is going to be disassembling the connector to conduct a forensic search...

 

[Landshark]

and this cuts into the wire... and if there is ever a warranty issue with the vehicle start /stop they will find this cut guaranteed.

wrong again ... the resistor legs slide into the connector, making contact with the metal ends that are crimped on the wires and sit inside the plastic connector.

there is no way the resistor legs would possibly pierce the wire insulation.

if you want to justify spending $100 on a solution that a 2 cent resistor can accomplish - fine, but don't start going on about things you have no idea about.

 

[winjury]

wrong again ... the resistor legs slide into the connector, making contact with the metal ends that are crimped on the wires and sit inside the plastic connector.

there is no way the resistor legs would possibly pierce the wire insulation.

if you want to justify spending $100 on a solution that a 2 cent resistor can accomplish - fine, but don't start going on about things you have no idea about.

Listen, as the owner of two auto repair shops in central Florida, I know what I’m talking about….
Just because you found a way around piercing the wire, does not mean it’s done right and it’s certainly not smart.
You don’t know the mechanical/electrical abilities of people coming on this thread, thus keep it simple. But if you want to talk about fine: because resistance is directly proportional to the length of wire (and I’m sure you figured that out first, right?) Just putting an in line resistor without knowing the length can lead to (a) the resistor overheating and failing (b) because it can change current rate it will mess with the electrical system in the car and (c) worst cast starting a fire. So, I’ll repeat, the simple and safe way is use the designed harness to correctly cancel these button functions. If you want to “eBay up” your 2018+ $40k+ car, go for it. But don’t encourage others to blindly follow.
I installed the product I mentioned above and I needed no tools and it took literally 90 seconds to install including pulling off the top of the center console. Do it right, or don’t do it at all.

wrong again ... the resistor legs slide into the connector, making contact with the metal ends that are crimped on the wires and sit inside the plastic connector.

there is no way the resistor legs would possibly pierce the wire insulation.

if you want to justify spending $100 on a solution that a 2 cent resistor can accomplish - fine, but don't start going on about things you have no idea about.

 

[Thomby]

fine: because resistance is directly proportional to the length of wire (and I’m sure you figured that out first, right?) Just putting an in line resistor without knowing the length can lead to (a) the resistor overheating and failing (b) because it can change current rate it will mess with the electrical system in the car and (c) worst cast starting a fire.

I'm not questioning your experience working on cars, but the theory here does not bear out with the numbers involved. The lengths & diameters of the wires make them an irrelevant contributor to the circuit's resistance, and the voltage & resistance mean you could not start a fire if you tried.

Stock circuit is 5 volts through 220 ohms, and the wire itself contributes a fraction of a percent of additional resistance. 18 gauge wire is ~0.006 ohms/foot, so no feasible change in wire length is moving the total resistance (and we're talking about adding 1000/2500 ohms anyway).

The tolerance of the original 220 ohm resistor (probably 10% but say it's 1%) dwarfs any change due to wire length, ie the difference between any two Stingers is more than you could change it even by wrapping the car in extra wire (or removing all slack).

And at 5 volts you aren't igniting anything. I did the math in the thread below, and it's 0.1 watts for a full short and 0.02 for a 1k resistor:

Idle Stop and Go disable

Heres kind of an unintended hack of the ISG feature. I bought and started using a dashcam a year ago. Its plugged into the auxiliary power outlet 24/7, and since then my ISG has not worked. Ive never been stranded even leaving car parked for a week as i have a second vehicle and because...

stingerforum.org

 

[Volfy]

That resistor that is inline with the ISG button Looks like a pull-down for a logic pin, so it is there purely to avoid a floating voltage causing erroneous input. Pic below is for a G70. Stinger's ISG may have the inline resistor elsewhere and not built into the switch as shown. Even without the pull down resistor, an aux add-on circuit that shorts across the ISG switch will probably work just fine. Since this switch is most likely just going into a high-impedance digital input channel, it isn't going to draw any appreciable amperage. If you were to insert an ammeter inline, I doubt it would even register a few micro amps. The only purpose is to prevent any residual voltage in that line from causing a false trigger of the DI channel, resulting in a false state.

IIRC, that OEM resistor is 220 Ohm. Since it's just a pull down resistor, you can use just about any reasonable value resistor ( 500, 1k, Ohm, etc.) for the aux circuit and it'll still work correctly.

As for warranty concern, that has been beat to death, and twice more on Sunday. Don't do anything you yourself are not comfortable doing. I myself have been splicing factory wiring since the '80's, on countless cars and motorcycles. Never ran into any warranty issues. There are a few ways to do it right, and a million ways to F* it up. Stay within your own competency, and you'd be okay.

 

[PaFromFL]

... Stock circuit is 5 volts through 220 ohms, and the wire itself contributes a fraction of a percent of additional resistance. 18 gauge wire is ~0.006 ohms/foot, so no feasible change in wire length is moving the total resistance (and we're talking about adding 1000/2500 ohms anyway). ...

The above statement makes sense, based on my M.S. Electrical Engineering and Ph.D. Physics.

 

[Landshark]

Listen, as the owner of two auto repair shops in central Florida, I know what I’m talking about….

ooohh ahhh ... but are they GOOD auto repair shops? there are plenty of auto repair shops ... some i wouldn't recommend for wiper blade replacement.

You don’t know the mechanical/electrical abilities of people coming on this thread, thus keep it simple. But if you want to talk about fine: because resistance is directly proportional to the length of wire (and I’m sure you figured that out first, right?) Just putting an in line resistor without knowing the length can lead to (a) the resistor overheating and failing (b) because it can change current rate it will mess with the electrical system in the car and (c) worst cast starting a fire. So, I’ll repeat, the simple and safe way is use the designed harness to correctly cancel these button functions. If you want to “eBay up” your 2018+ $40k+ car, go for it. But don’t encourage others to blindly follow.

thanks for the little lesson, but i have an Electrical Engineering degree.

i don't remember encouraging or forcing anyone to do this. if you want to be a hero, why not hassle the people who put a permanent short on the switch with a piece of ziptie or cardboard?

I installed the product I mentioned above and I needed no tools and it took literally 90 seconds to install including pulling off the top of the center console. Do it right, or don’t do it at all.

again justifying your $100 purchase vs. a 2 cent fix? lol i also needed no tools, and probably installed mine even faster as there's nothing to unplug.

 

[StingerVetteMan]

So I went the $100 route and couldn’t be happier. Very well made product and took a few minutes to install. I like how it works. If you turn off the car with the start/stop off, it remembers that the next time you turn the car on. If you turn off the car with the start/stop on, it remembers that as well so you can actually still use it if you want to.

 

[bfglitch]

I was thinking of picking up the ISG/Auto Hold/drive mode module from Shark Racing and buying the harness connectors to be able to make it plug and play instead of splicing it into the current wires.

2018+ Stinger Combo Memory Module - Drive Mode, ISG, Autohold

Established in 1999, Shark Racing is the No. 1 source of parts and accessories for Korean cars.

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[rpoffen]

So I went the $100 route and couldn’t be happier. Very well made product and took a few minutes to install. I like how it works. If you turn off the car with the start/stop off, it remembers that the next time you turn the car on. If you turn off the car with the start/stop on, it remembers that as well so you can actually still use it if you want to.

I’ve had the module for a couple years now and I really like it. Never had any trouble with it.