How much will you spend?

[CoconutRob]

Conversion from $59,990 AUS$ to US$ today is $47,812. Since the Kia USA website is slotting the Stinger between the Cadenza and the K900, and a fully-loaded Cadenza Limited tops out at $45,750 MSRP, that sounds like a logical RWD Stinger price.

Oh crap! My conversion calculator was not updated

 

[admonite]

That is right around the price of a loaded Kia Cadenza.

I only hope the interior is at least as nice as the Cadenza. Pictures make it difficult to tell...but I sat in a 2017 Cadenza at the last Car Show here and I was really impressed. It felt more refined and luxurious than many of the premium brands.

 

[eljay]

I've only compared the Cadenza to a pre-production Stinger, but they were side-by-side so I didn't have to rely on memory. The Stinger interior is less "plush" than the Cadenza--more sporty, and therefore simpler, more utilitarian. Actually, I preferred the Stinger interior, since I don't like driving an easy chair, and I like a simple dash arrangement. The Stinger interior is nice, even in pre-production, but to compare it to the Cadenza is apples and oranges. Both are gorgeous, but in entirely different ways.

 

[admonite]

I've only compared the Cadenza to a pre-production Stinger, but they were side-by-side so I didn't have to rely on memory. The Stinger interior is less "plush" than the Cadenza--more sporty, and therefore simpler, more utilitarian. Actually, I preferred the Stinger interior, since I don't like driving an easy chair, and I like a simple dash arrangement. The Stinger interior is nice, even in pre-production, but to compare it to the Cadenza is apples and oranges. Both are gorgeous, but in entirely different ways.

That is exactly the impression I've been getting from the photos and videos. I'm fine with having a more utilitarian interior in a more fun-to-drive vehicle. The fact that it doesn't have the Cadenza's amazing interior as well as the performance credentials they are touting gives me a little hope on the pricing front.

 

[Charly]

Because I'm choosing from dealers within 15 miles from my house, my short list is the Stinger, the '18 Buick Regal GS, and the Mercedes C43. With the MB on the optioned out north end of $60K, $50K doesn't sound so bad if it includes all the bells and whistles and electronics. The MB is faster but it could use more passenger room and I prefer the RWD to AWD. It's too early to say how the Stinger will compare to the Buick but I suspect that I'll prefer the Kia and it doesn't sound like the GS is going to cost much less. I don't want to encourage Kia to push the price but that's where I stand.

 

[nxd25]

While 45k would be great, I think that is not going to happen. I believe the price will be closer to 50k for the fully loaded GT AWD in the US - probably an MSRP of 48k. An A4 prestige Quattro fully loaded is around 52k with similar features (Nav, Safety tech, audio, etc). The Lexus IS350 F Sport is also above 50k, as is the Infiniti Q50 with comparable features. At around 48k though, I'm still very interested as it would be a few thousand cheaper than any competitor with all the same or similar features.

 

[CoconutRob]

While 45k would be great, I think that is not going to happen. I believe the price will be closer to 50k for the fully loaded GT AWD in the US - probably an MSRP of 48k. An A4 prestige Quattro fully loaded is around 52k with similar features (Nav, Safety tech, audio, etc). The Lexus IS350 F Sport is also above 50k, as is the Infiniti Q50 with comparable features. At around 48k though, I'm still very interested as it would be a few thousand cheaper than any competitor with all the same or similar features.

Yeah, @ that price if the Buick Regal GS looks as good as the holden version I think I will choose the buick

 

[CoconutRob]

While 45k would be great, I think that is not going to happen. I believe the price will be closer to 50k for the fully loaded GT AWD in the US - probably an MSRP of 48k. An A4 prestige Quattro fully loaded is around 52k with similar features (Nav, Safety tech, audio, etc). The Lexus IS350 F Sport is also above 50k, as is the Infiniti Q50 with comparable features. At around 48k though, I'm still very interested as it would be a few thousand cheaper than any competitor with all the same or similar features.

If there is a 5k+ difference in price I will choose the Buick

 

[Kia Stinger]

I like the GS but it's not going to have the power I want. I think anyone who's set on a twin turbo Stinger will have a tough decision to make. But anyone who'd be happy with the 2.0T will have a much easier decision if based on price.

 

[eljay]

I'm probably not typical here. I'm opting for the GT mostly because a lot of the features I want probably won't be options on the 4-cyl. Since this is kind of my bucket list car, which I'll probably keep for at least a decade, I don't want to cheap out on the options and have regrets. The GS probably would be perfect for my needs and has most of the features I want (plus a CD player), and I'm moving up in hp from my current car no matter which I get. But the Stinger is, for reasons I can't put my finger on, much better looking--call me shallow. I'll test drive both at the earliest opportunity, but I think it will be the Stinger as long as they don't go over $50k. And I'll only go that high to honor my uncle, who loved cars and who left me a little inheritance last year. Otherwise, I'd be insisting on a top price of $45k.

 

[Charly]

Nevermind - Looks like Robert Swartzkopf beat me to it: https://stingerforum.org/threads/could-this-be-correct.626/

So in Canada, Kia is saying http://www.kia.ca/stinger2018?sourceid=hp-banner that to pre-order a fully loaded GT it'll set you back about $52K Canadian. That's about $42K USD today. Every man has his price and I believe Kia has found mine.

 

[Bamm1]

Nevermind - Looks like Robert Swartzkopf beat me to it: https://stingerforum.org/threads/could-this-be-correct.626/

So in Canada, Kia is saying http://www.kia.ca/stinger2018?sourceid=hp-banner that to pre-order a fully loaded GT it'll set you back about $52K Canadian. That's about $42K USD today. Every man has his price and I believe Kia has found mine.

It won't be $42,000 in the US. See my comment in the "can this be correct" thread for further clarification.

But the fact that Kia is going to charge Canadian customers the equivalent of 42 grand US kinda pisses me off. They are in no way selling the Stinger at a loss in Canada. They just want to bleed more money out us folks south of the border.

 

[STNGRNV]

Exactly Bamm. If the GT is 42K, then I'd think about switching from the 2.0T. Not gonna happen. They would've already released the pricing by now if it was going to be that low.

 

[moinmoin]

It won't be $42,000 in the US. See my comment in the "can this be correct" thread for further clarification.

But the fact that Kia is going to charge Canadian customers the equivalent of 42 grand US kinda pisses me off. They are in no way selling the Stinger at a loss in Canada. They just want to bleed more money out us folks south of the border.

I agree, the pricing that goes on for the same goods in Canada & US is sometimes unconscionable. And it has been an old story, that Canadian made cars are sold cheaper in US than Canada. See this article from 2012: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...mericans-for-canadian-made-vehicles-1.1141083

You are right when you are telling us that straight conversion does not work, and as I said before, the automakers will usually charge what the market will bear and then adjust pricing for all kinds of reasons.

 

[CoconutRob]

I agree, the pricing that goes on for the same goods in Canada & US is sometimes unconscionable. And it has been an old story, that Canadian made cars are sold cheaper in US than Canada. See this article from 2012: http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottaw...mericans-for-canadian-made-vehicles-1.1141083

You are right when you are telling us that straight conversion does not work, and as I said before, the automakers will usually charge what the market will bear and then adjust pricing for all kinds of reasons.

WeI just did the conversion on the BMW Canada site for a M2 and it sells for about $500 higher in Canada after conversion. And to reply to the market, right now the market in the US for sedans are horrible everyone wants a crossover.

 

[Bamm1]

Here is where Kia decided to price its existing higher end sedans for the terrible US market vs. Canada:

Sorry to say that the M2 and A5 are exceptions. Lets look directly at Kia Canada for models like the Stinger:

K900 base 49,950 CAD
K900 base 49,900 USD

Cadenza Limited 45,795 CAD
Cadenza Limited 44,390 USD

 

[moinmoin]

WeI just did the conversion on the BMW Canada site for a M2 and it sells for about $500 higher in Canada after conversion. And to reply to the market, right now the market in the US for sedans are horrible everyone wants a crossover.

Robert, I am sad to say, but it is futile to "wish down" the price of a car that has not even been announced for sale, or where the FINAL price has not even been established. The Canadian price is "less than $52,000. for the GT". The Canadian website advertises only two models: a GT and a GT Limited. Don't know about AWD, nothing. I pre-ordered with this information "conditional to pricing & specifications". I would not be surprised if the price is going to go past 52K...Whether I will pull the plug at that time, I don't know yet.
Now, the Stinger models that are going to be offered in the US may be a completely different ball of wax and so the starting point for KIA's pricing.

Just because you believe that the market for sedans has dried out, does not necessarily make it so. Consider Toyota Camry, Subaru Impreza, Buick Regal, all the BMWs, Mercs, VWs etc. etc. Somebody is buying them. You are in the market for a sedan, and so am I. What I am saying is, that we will pay what we feel the object (car) is worth to us. And if it's too much for the individual's purse, we turn to other cars. Maybe disappointed, but so be it. By the same token, not everybody lives in a mansion, and some people would never want one.

We all know how much we can afford (hopefully) and smart enough to stay within a budget. Just stay away from 72 month (and up) financing plans, as depreciation will be way faster than the loan amount reducing. I first broached the subject of the Buick Regal GS in this Forum and that may actually a viable alternative, particularly as the US is getting wagon, whereas Canada is only getting the SportBack.

I hope you are going to get what you are wishing for. Be patient.

 

[eljay]

Pardon me if I'm wrong, English major here. But let's compare the Optima EX. In Canada, it starts at $28,695; that's equivalent to $23,146 US. In the US, the EX starts at $25,440, so about 10% higher than the Canadian cost. So if the Stinger is also 10% higher here, that means the top trim will start at $46,200. And remember, the Canadian version is AWD--they aren't getting the RWD at all--so that might mean something less for the RWD. Yeah, sure, they'll price it at what the market will bear, but if they're paying attention to the questionnaires they sent out and watching things like this forum, they probably already know our market won't bear anything outrageously high. Or at least we can hope. (Not that the prices in Australia give us a great deal of hope.) Let's just say I'm not spending any of my car money on anything else until the contract's signed.

 

[STNGRNV]

The sedan market is indeed shrinking. That's a fact. That's why manufacturers like Toyota and Honda and Buick are trying to make more aggressive looking, sporty, sedans. People have grown bored with them. Yes, people still buy them out of necessity. For instance, I have a daughter so I need a backseat. I don't like SUVs or crossovers. I won't drive a minivan. Sedan is pretty much my only play at this point in my life. But I don't want a boring sedan. It's between the Stinger and the Buick Sportback at this point.

 

[Bamm1]

I would like to add that I hope to be driving in my either $42,000 or $46,200 Stinger GT AWD when I get an email notification resurrecting these pricing threads telling me what a moron I was.

I just don't have "high" hopes.