Hard time considering Stinger because of one reason

[Ceramic_GT2]

Its like chalk and cheese before and after. I put the springs on first they reduced some of the body roll and bedding down on take off. 6 months later the sways front and back both set on the soft setting. The back sway seemed to negate the rear side ways twitch on dipping corners. The front was noticeable on turning into sharp corners, you just point and shoot so much more confidence in fast corners. I went from the stock continental contact 5s to Michellin Ps4 that also upped the cars cornering ability. Now i can't fault the car.

Springs on 31 month's
Sways on 25 months.

When I was driving the car all the roll, somewhat lack of communication from the steering and tires made me scared to actually push it in the corners

 

[Ceramic_GT2]

I have a Focus ST and an RS (similar comparison to the type R). In all honesty as much as I love the Stinger and the way it drives and handles for it's size, it will never be like my RS or ST. I do have both the front and rear Eibach sway bars and they definitely help. But body roll is still there, just not as much as before, especially with quick changes in direction. Seems lowering springs help with this as well.

I bought the stinger as a replacement for a family car (camry). Both the wife and I wanted something more fun and exciting than your typical boring family sedans. It's quick, fun, handles well, well appointed interior.
It's fun on the track as well, but it's no type R or RS.

At the end it's your decision, if you're a guy that really loves very tight handling, fun small cars, then you may be disappointed in the Stinger even with throwing money at it.
The type R will feel like "racecar" everytime you pull out of driveway. If that's your thing, get the type R. It's not a fair comparison the type R and stinger. Both cars are great buys, they just do things differently.

How much roll (if you remember) did it eliminate? I was really pushing the car in the corners (like I've done in my other cars) and it didn't seem happy that I was doing it.

Part of me wants the car but part of me still wants a zippy hot hatch that I can throw into a corner and be fine. Then again I'm still in my early 20s and won't have kids for a few years, maybe it'll be nice to own a fun manual car before they die off.

 

[Dieselxx]

How much roll (if you remember) did it eliminate? I was really pushing the car in the corners (like I've done in my other cars) and it didn't seem happy that I was doing it.

Part of me wants the car but part of me still wants a zippy hot hatch that I can throw into a corner and be fine. Then again I'm still in my early 20s and won't have kids for a few years, maybe it'll be nice to own a fun manual car before they die off.

I'm not actually sure how much roll was reduced, but it's enough that I noticed it was much better. Still there though. Not sure what trim of GT you drove and what tires, as we get a different spec up here with pilot sport 4tires.

In your position and age I'd go type R, but age doesn't really matter I guess as I just turned 40 and prefer my manual RS/ST for the fun factor. Also I wouldn't really categorize the stinger as an old persons car either. It's very good. Maybe try test driving both again?

 

[Buzzrush]

Doesn't sound like a Stinger is the right car for you. Your trying to shove a square peg into a round hole. That's not what this car is. This is a 4000 lb Grand Tourer...not a hot hatch. You should be looking at STIs, Type Rs or Golfs. We can't hang with those in the curves and they can't hang with us in the straights. Your in your early 20's so it's still socially acceptable to drive those. Good luck!

 

[Jayphil]

Maybe you should try a Mustang GT or Camaro SS with the track package? Those are powerful and handle very well, in fact stock for stock they beat the Stinger in straight as well as curves.

I would boy one of those before a boy racer car like the civic

 

[Ceramic_GT2]

I'm not actually sure how much roll was reduced, but it's enough that I noticed it was much better. Still there though. Not sure what trim of GT you drove and what tires, as we get a different spec up here with pilot sport 4tires.

In your position and age I'd go type R, but age doesn't really matter I guess as I just turned 40 and prefer my manual RS/ST for the fun factor. Also I wouldn't really categorize the stinger as an old persons car either. It's very good. Maybe try test driving both again?

They were michelin all seasons but probably not the pilot sport as3s I expected them to have. Also yes I need to test drive another Stinger again but somewhere that us closer to my local roads that I'm used to or maybe pay a bit more attention when driving it.

 

[Ceramic_GT2]

Maybe you should try a Mustang GT or Camaro SS with the track package? Those are powerful and handle very well, in fact stock for stock they beat the Stinger in straight as well as curves.

I would boy one of those before a boy racer car like the civic

I would love to but I need something that's a 4 door and a hatchback so that slims down the options a lot

 

[MerlintheMad]

I've been following this dialogue. And it seems to me that the practicality, looks and performance of the Stinger wins this unlikely comparison test. You need four door and a hatchback. You can fit TWO bicycles into a Stinger and have room left for a lot of other stuff. Long wheelbase means interior space, and stable handling. No, it gives up rapid direction changes, but it'll hang onto the line you set and not pull funny tricks; especially if you've gone aftermarket on the sway bars. There is no way that a Civic is going to get the attention that a Stinger does. And they are still rare, which is added fun for an already very fun car. Did I forget to mention that the low torque of the 3.3L passes very, very fast?

 

[bulldozer1984]

The first time I saw a Type R on the road I laughed at it. Thinking that someone stuck a shopping trolley handle on the back. It looks like a boy racer mobile. There is zero elegance.
Handling is not the only prerequisite in my opinion.

 

[NS_Stinger]

I've never personally drove a newer Civic Type R but I've watched plenty of reviews on them and everyone had the same feedback about how amazing the chassis and handling was. I even saw a reviewer takeoff shifting through gears without so much as touching the steering wheel to show just how well the car tracks and doesn't have any torque steer like past fwd sporty cars have always have. If they sold a tamer looking Accord Type R I'd probably consider trading the Stinger for it.

 

[Jayphil]

I've never personally drove a newer Civic Type R but I've watched plenty of reviews on them and everyone had the same feedback about how amazing the chassis and handling was. I even saw a reviewer takeoff shifting through gears without so much as touching the steering wheel to show just how well the car tracks and doesn't have any torque steer like past fwd sporty cars have always have. If they sold a tamer looking Accord Type R I'd probably consider trading the Stinger for it.

The Stinger size “performance” car from Honda will be the Acura TLX type S. Unfortunately type S are never at the same hardcore track level as type Rs. Will be interesting to see how good the type S will be vs the Stinger but I suspect not much if any better.

 

[NS_Stinger]

The Stinger size “performance” car from Honda will be the Acura TLX type S. Unfortunately type S are never at the same hardcore track level as type Rs. Will be interesting to see how good the type S will be vs the Stinger but I suspect not much if any better.

Both of my prior cars to the Stinger were Acura's and while they didn't have anything on the Stingers performance credentials I will say that they absolutely put the Stinger to shame in the NVH department. Shutting the door on my Acura TL was like closing a bank vault.

 

[Dodger Blue]

Both of my prior cars to the Stinger were Acura's and while they didn't have anything on the Stingers performance credentials I will say that they absolutely put the Stinger to shame in the NVH (Noise, Vibration, and Harshness) department. Shutting the door on my Acura TL was like closing a bank vault.

I always wanted a TL Type S. One of the best looking sedans of the decade.

 

[Waynerm002]

If you go for the GT2, there is a tuning unit that can be added to give you some additional control over the suspension. I only have that unit installed on my car and it makes the car rides and handles better. I think with the sway bars, lowering springs and the Mando unit, that will make the car perform a lot better. For you that want to push it hard around corners, you will need to install some better summer tires. While the Primacy are quieter and more comfortable, they are nowhere close to what the Pilot Sport 4 can do. You probably should see if they have one with summer tires that you can drive to see the difference.

 

[Ozstung]

Type R is the most fugly car on the market, whats with the two plastic floor mats stuck on the back underneath the lights? Lol.

 

[Ceramic_GT2]

Both of my prior cars to the Stinger were Acura's and while they didn't have anything on the Stingers performance credentials I will say that they absolutely put the Stinger to shame in the NVH (Noise, Vibration, and Harshness) department. Shutting the door on my Acura TL was like closing a bank vault.

That's my other concern too. It seems like even for 50k you get a car that's not built the best. I've heard of squeaky door seals since this chassis flexes so easily...along with rattles in a few areas in the car. I guess they make good looking interiors but not good feeling interiors. Those factors really got me thinking if I should own a Kia for long term

 

[Dia1Up]

The Type-R was built from the ground up to be a driving machine. They focused hard on the steering feel.

The Stinger is a full blown GT. Meaning road trip monster.

If I remember correctly they both have Rack-Mounted power steering which helps with steering feel over normal column mounted steering in normal cars. They are both electric of course.... Sadly.

And one big thing, the Stinger is HEAVY. As in, literally the same or MORE than Kia Sorento, and really close to a Telluride. All depending on trim ect ect. This will effect steering feel, as they have to dial the assist up more to help with the weight, therefore you can't feel the small road imperfections and on-center.

Being a GT, its more tuned for comfort over track, hence the body roll. Eibach springs and sways going a long way, and you can even order them direct through your dealer (At least here at my dealership in Canada).

Putting it in sport mode will do nothing for body roll. It only adds a bit of damping in the front. People tend to forget the Stinger only has active dampers up front, and not in the rear. Again at least here in Canada. But regardless damping only controls how quickly it gets to max roll, NOT what that max body roll is.

The G70 (Hyundai Stinger) has completely different suspension. Full double wishbone upfront, vs just normal Struts.

As most have said, different cars for very different things

You'd compare a Type-R more to the Veloster N, Golf R. Looser Comparisons Miata, BRZ/86, STI, WRX.

Stinger is more like a BMW, Infinity, Acura, Merc

 

[Luc]

People tend to forget the Stinger only has active dampers up front, and not in the rear. Again at least here in Canada.

Crap, really!? Do you have a source/webpage/manual? I can't seem to find this online...

Also, my dealer doesn't order Eibachs, may I please know yours? I'd love to get the sways, springs and WhiteLine Endlinks done from a proper Kia workshop. Thanks!

 

[Dia1Up]

Crap, really!? Do you have a source/webpage/manual? I can't seem to find this online...

Also, my dealer doesn't order Eibachs, may I please know yours? I'd love to get the sways, springs and WhiteLine Endlinks done from a proper Kia workshop. Thanks!

From the Webpage: Specs, Body. I just copied and pasted. It even kept the boxes heh

Front suspension	MacPherson struts and gas shock absorber with dynamic dampers
Rear suspension	Multi-link configuration with gas shock absorbers

As for the Eibach I'm actually not sure, I've never asked our service BUT

Both in my official Kia Product Guide and the Kia Canada website shows both the springs and sway bars. Heh so I don't see a reason why my service department can't. However every dealership is different to be fair. Up to each service department is my understanding
The link says tire finder, but that is the link to the Accessory page for the Stinger GT Limited

Tire Wizard

app.tirelocator.ca

I'm a sales person at Castlegar Kia, in Castlegar B.C. Heh people sometimes get confused when I tell them I'm from B.C and no where even close to the coast

 

[MerlintheMad]

Crap, really!? Do you have a source/webpage/manual? I can't seem to find this online...

Also, my dealer doesn't order Eibachs, may I please know yours? I'd love to get the sways, springs and WhiteLine Endlinks done from a proper Kia workshop. Thanks!

I ordered my rear then front Eibach sway bars from two different sellers, and my dealer's service department installed both willingly. I didn't even ask them if they'd order them for me; didn't occur to me as an option.