ECU Tune vs JB4

[JerseySpores]

No such program exists for the stinger right now for the video playing, as for the ECU tunes, the best ones on the market are plug and plug ECU swaps, all you need is a 10mm ratchet and maybe an extension or two. The JB4/Lap3 pro tuners are really the only devices that can read the information you want, with the cavate being that both those devices can make your car faster, but the dedicated ECU tunes will be even faster.

Can you link me to the ECU tunes or did I read that incorrectly? If I can only tune and not get the real-time info, it's not a deal breaker.

 

[JerseySpores]

JB4 for logging, Lap3 ECU stage 2.5, with either WMI or CPI if money is not an issue. I wouldn't mid going with Lap3, just haven't taken the financial plunge yet. My car is running good as is...

JB4 and Lap3 can run at the same time? If I'm understanding correctly, Lap3 is used for the tune and JB4 for logging only. Is that right?

 

[StingertimeNC]

Yes. JB4 can also fine tune your tune, by adding a bit of boost here and there. Could also be your water/Meth controller, and also logging

 

[ShaPoopieZ]

Any decent BOVs to recommend?

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I'd bet the GFB hybrids are sweet as well.
They bolt right up with no adapters or configuration issues.

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[Pearly]

Lozics tune seems to be pretty solid for me, its noticeably faster and making more boost on pump gas alone compared to my JB4, which required e85 (which I don't have in my state) or boostane to raise the octane to safe levels to make comparable boost numbers. I average 20lbs on 1.4bar but I've seen peaks of 22. it also is more consistent then a piggyback can be, due to the fact that the stock ECU on a piggyback is still regulating how much boost to use as a starting value based on environmental conditions.

However, I am NOT a fan of the "Boost Ready" function as the slightest touch of the gas pedals will get me spooling to several lbs when its unnecessary. I did buy my tune used however and the person I bought it from had that enabled, so I am going to live with it until I feel like coughing up the extra money he wants for Support and modifications to the tune that he would normally do for free if you bought the tune directly from him, So I'm not counting it as a negative as I knew what I was getting into.

Lozic does also offer a "Boost by Mode" feature which effectively caps how much power you make in eco and comfort. As long as the Boost cap for the Custom drive mode is set to the same limits as sport mode is, then I plan to enable that as it seems like it would be a good thing not only for gas mileage, but also if you have someone that is less than comfortable driving a fast car, just throw it in eco mode, the car will probably be as fast as the 2.0T is stock, and Comfort mode will get you the cars stock level of power I believe.

you can also customize other things like pops and bangs and whatnot but I am really not a fan of that kind of thing so.

I have 0 experience with any of the Lap3 tunes so I got nothing for you there, but they do have local support instead of needing to ship stuff to south Korea, and Im sure if you asked the Lap3 guys to do a boost by mode feature or something similar, they probably would for the right amount of money.

1.4 Is also what I’m planning on. Is yours tuned for 91 or 93 octane?

I would love to be able to customize the boost by drive mode. If it was possible-
Eco= 0.9 Bar
Comfort= 1.2 Bar
Sport= 1.4 Bar
That’s what I would choose. So Eco is stock basically, Comfort just above stock/fun mode 1 and in case bad gas or something. Then Sport is fun mode 2 that is all out. That being said I’ll probably just go with option D on his order sheet. Also I think I remember reading when in custom mode whatever you have drivetrain set to is what it will boost at? Someone can confirm or correct me if I’m wrong.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Lozics tune seems to be pretty solid for me, its noticeably faster and making more boost on pump gas alone compared to my JB4, which required e85 (which I don't have in my state) or boostane to raise the octane to safe levels to make comparable boost numbers. I average 20lbs on 1.4bar but I've seen peaks of 22. it also is more consistent then a piggyback can be, due to the fact that the stock ECU on a piggyback is still regulating how much boost to use as a starting value based on environmental conditions.

Post up a JB4 map0 log, lets see how timing looks. That's been the big issue I've seen on logic tunes so far. Something is going on and many have way more timing corrections than I'd expect. Then I compare that with lap3 logs which runs even more timing but generally has fewer corrections. Makes me suspect lap3 nerfed the knock sensor tables, maybe unintentally. I certainly hope not but there are not enough people really looking and evaluating the data on these tunes IMHO.

 

[AtomicGTL]

1.4 Is also what I’m planning on. Is yours tuned for 91 or 93 octane?

I would love to be able to customize the boost by drive mode. If it was possible-
Eco= 0.9 Bar
Comfort= 1.2 Bar
Sport= 1.4 Bar
That’s what I would choose. So Eco is stock basically, Comfort just above stock/fun mode 1 and in case bad gas or something. Then Sport is fun mode 2 that is all out. That being said I’ll probably just go with option D on his order sheet. Also I think I remember reading when in custom mode whatever you have drivetrain set to is what it will boost at? Someone can confirm or correct me if I’m wrong.

I chose option D aswell for boost mode

Boost ready function off

 

[Pearly]

I chose option D aswell for boost mode

Boost ready function off

Sounds like we will have the exact same tune then! (Mine on 91)

 

[AtomicGTL]

Sounds like we will have the exact same tune then! (Mine on 91)

91 as well!

I know you mentioned you aren't in a rush on getting the tunes, so ill probably report back on how it is!

 

[Pearly]

91 as well!

I know you mentioned you aren't in a rush on getting the tunes, so ill probably report back on how it is!

Fantastic! I’m excited to hear how the exact set up is. For fun what is your elevation? I’m ordering the TCU in 2 weeks and then ECU in April.

 

[AtomicGTL]

Fantastic! I’m excited to hear how the exact set up is. For fun what is your elevation? I’m ordering the TCU in 2 weeks and then ECU in April.

300 m (1,000 ft) in elevation. I have an aggressive tcu though, pressure 3 with -8%

 

[Pearly]

300 m (1,000 ft) in elevation. I have an aggressive tcu though, pressure 3 with -8%

I’m up at 4,000-5,000 ft. Will be fun to compare logs when I do get the tunes in.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Post up a JB4 map0 log, lets see how timing looks. That's been the big issue I've seen on logic tunes so far. Something is going on and many have way more timing corrections than I'd expect. Then I compare that with lap3 logs which runs even more timing but generally has fewer corrections. Makes me suspect lap3 nerfed the knock sensor tables, maybe unintentally. I certainly hope not but there are not enough people really looking and evaluating the data on these tunes IMHO.

These are the only logged run ive had time to do of late, its short but it gets the general idea across.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Can you link me to the ECU tunes or did I read that incorrectly? If I can only tune and not get the real-time info, it's not a deal breaker.

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Lozic can be contacted under the "lozic_ecu" account on Instagram. Id link his website but its all in korean. He is super nice and his English is 90% there with only the occasional thing getting lost in translation.

 

[Terry@BMS]

These are the only logged run ive had time to do of late, its short but it gets the general idea across.

Not pretty.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

Not pretty.

Can you give me a more detailed explanation than that for the graphs by any chance? I can read the excel spreadsheets just fine but the graphs elude me

 

[StingertimeNC]

I was going to say looking forward to Terry's comments, but he already chimed in. Pulling too much timing. see ign 2-6, need to keep all those numbers below 2.3. running closer to 0-0.8 is probably the best. I think this is what Terry was talking about. do you have 93 octane gas? if not, that would help. Maybe e30 is possible for you? Water meth Injection may help. Octane is not supportive. I'm no expert though. Others will chime in I'm sure.

I get the feeling the JB4 is just safer in general. It's easy to scale up or down the boost depending on fuel quality and how the logs look. I suspect those that are running WMI or CPI are probably in better shape with Lozic tunes than those without. Again not an expert, just thinking out loud.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

I was going to say looking forward to Terry's comments, but he already chimed in. Pulling too much timing. see ign 2-6, need to keep all those numbers below 2.3. running closer to 0-0.8 is probably the best. I think this is what Terry was talking about. do you have 93 octane gas? if not, that would help. Maybe e30 is possible for you? Water meth Injection may help. Octane is not supportive. I'm no expert though. Others will chime in I'm sure.

That I am aware of, but this is from a Lozic ECU tune which has more changed in it than what a JB4 can do, the JB4 is just reading the timing. Also, I am always running 93. Pretty much all the ECU tunes are going to be adjusting timing like this on pump gas alone. id love to run an e85 mix if I could but my state has 0 e85 pumps in it.

 

[StingertimeNC]

yes, I understand that your on Lozic ECU. Just used the Jb4 for the log. Interested in others opinions. I agree that Lozic and lap3 are more aggressive. people are getting seriously fast with these tunes. In addition to the cost, the other thing that scares me a little is running too aggressive a tune for longevity and such. I have water Meth and 93, so I feel like I could probably handle lap3 stage 2.5 tune. Heck, I'm seeing peak boost numbers around 21lbs even in this cold weather on Map 7. the other thing that concerns me is putting the power down since I'm rear wheel drive. That being said, I saw an incredible 60-130 time posted up from a guy running lap3 2.5 I believe. I feel like I could be faster, but to what end? I'm more interested in road course than drag strip, so it just seems not necessary to me just to shave off a little time here and there.

Hope your car is running great. maybe Terry can assist in fine tuning with the JB4 and Lozic running together.

 

[G70LEbyAdoom]

yes, I understand that your on Lozic ECU. Just used the Jb4 for the log. Interested in others opinions. I agree that Lozic and lap3 are more aggressive. people are getting seriously fast with these tunes. In addition to the cost, the other thing that scares me a little is running too aggressive a tune for longevity and such. I have water Meth and 93, so I feel like I could probably handle lap3 stage 2.5 tune. Heck, I'm seeing peak boost numbers around 21lbs even in this cold weather on Map 7. the other thing that concerns me is putting the power down since I'm rear wheel drive. That being said, I saw an incredible 60-130 time posted up from a guy running lap3 2.5 I believe. I feel like I could be faster, but to what end? I'm more interested in road course than drag strip, so it just seems not necessary to me just to shave off a little time here and there.

Hope your car is running great. maybe Terry can assist in fine tuning with the JB4 and Lozic running together.

Honestly, the car is running great except for my car not blowing hot air when idling in the winter and my BLMS System being down because of my passenger mirror light being stuck on (Its going in for that to be fixed tomorrow though) I am not an aggressive driver by any means but I will be going to my local drag strip to put down some times and see how it does over the course of next spring/summer/fall. I would love to do road course stuff as well but their is nothing even remotely near me.
I have thought about running meth, but once you do that, it becomes pretty obvious that the car is modified, and much less likely that I will be able to warranty stuff as easily as I can now.
My apologies if I came off a bit aggressive, it was not intended to be that way.