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E30 fuel system?

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Hi all I’m looking into the basics for a stinger… intake, exhaust, plugs and Jb4. I was just wondering if the stinger would need a new fuel system for the e30/e40 or is the stinger flex fuel factory.
 
No hardware changes needed for ethanol. If you run it in a stock Stinger, it'll just cost you mileage (~30% for E85, ~10% for E30). If you run it with a tune to make use of the higher octane and lower temps, you'll need colder/regapped plugs, but that's for the extra boost rather than the ethanol itself.

The fuel upgrades you see referenced (Charge Pipe Injection, Water/Meth Injection, HPFP upgrade) are for people already tuned and running E30/40 to the point of maxing out the stock High Pressure Fuel Pump (~500hp+ range) who want that extra 50-75hp to max out the stock turbos.6
 
No hardware changes needed for ethanol. If you run it in a stock Stinger, it'll just cost you mileage (~30% for E85, ~10% for E30). If you run it with a tune to make use of the higher octane and lower temps, you'll need colder/regapped plugs, but that's for the extra boost rather than the ethanol itself.

The fuel upgrades you see referenced (Charge Pipe Injection, Water/Meth Injection, HPFP upgrade) are for people already tuned and running E30/40 to the point of maxing out the stock High Pressure Fuel Pump (~500hp+ range) who want that extra 50-75hp to max out the stock turbos.6
Sweet so nothing at all? Not even injectors or fuel rails either ?
 
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No hardware changes needed for ethanol. If you run it in a stock Stinger, it'll just cost you mileage (~30% for E85, ~10% for E30). If you run it with a tune to make use of the higher octane and lower temps, you'll need colder/regapped plugs, but that's for the extra boost rather than the ethanol itself.

The fuel upgrades you see referenced (Charge Pipe Injection, Water/Meth Injection, HPFP upgrade) are for people already tuned and running E30/40 to the point of maxing out the stock High Pressure Fuel Pump (~500hp+ range) who want that extra 50-75hp to max out the stock turbos.6
Question- so we can run straight E85? I have the JB4 running map 4 with E30, but would like to try with E85 if safe.
Thanks!
 
Question- so we can run straight E85? I have the JB4 running map 4 with E30, but would like to try with E85 if safe.
Thanks!
No, consensus is E30-40 is the most you can run on stock hardware before the High Pressure Fuel Pump maxes out and fuel pressure crashes.

You can get around the HPFP limitations with Charge Pipe Injection (7th injector), but I think you're still limited to around E50 or you'll run off the stock fuel tables. You can also go to an upgraded HPFP and back end flash to extend the fuel maps, but I think even then you can't use more than E50-E60 because the turbos are maxed out.
 
No, consensus is E30-40 is the most you can run on stock hardware before the High Pressure Fuel Pump maxes out and fuel pressure crashes.

You can get around the HPFP limitations with Charge Pipe Injection (7th injector), but I think you're still limited to around E50 or you'll run off the stock fuel tables. You can also go to an upgraded HPFP and back end flash to extend the fuel maps, but I think even then you can't use more than E50-E60 because the turbos are maxed out.
Thanks for the reply & info, appreciate it.
 
I run full E85. But it takes a lot of changes in ECU. To have benefit of it as be more safe and have same power with less boost you need first a higher timing as E85 burns slower and "need a bit more time". With higher timing power goes up but only to a certain level. Stock timing is around 14 degrees but for our cars I would say no more than 19 as an absolute max. More will not make more power and risk for head lift is increase a lot as "MCP" Max cylinder pressure with to high timing will be passed and the MCP will be to early.
But there are many benefits from full E85, higher timing makes engine feel more response, no risk of have "pings" but if you reach the limit of the hardware pistons will broke or... a rod brakes, you also will have more safe power at the same level of boost with gas.

If to go full E85 witch I really recommend you should go for a BMW HPFP (Burger Tuning) that will make fuel be enough in the best way, fuel consumption is around 30-35% more than gas. CPI will also do, I have both as the CPI will cool inlet air a bit also. I also recommend Burgers new Turbo inlet Silicon pipes, use them and you dont need any other filters or boxes.

Next thing is to have an ECU with changed timing tables (otherwise no real benefit), you can also run leaner, best power is around 12.5:1 but I recommend is to stay at 11.8-12.2. Then... there is a lot of other ECU maps that needs to be change, cold start as an example is a hole another story, you also need to change torque tables and a lot of limits. On top of that you can have JB4 for adjustments most for your boost. To be safe and max out turbos my recommend is a top of 18.5 degrees of timing and stay at Max 19 psi of boost. With higher of the two, NO more power just an increased risk of failure. Our max of power with ALL changes is around 500 engine hp´s, then Turbos efficiency goes right to the basement. Thats also why you cant run more than 19 psi and less over 5000 rpm, just will make heat go up = less power. Of course you can load more at mid-range but I newer do that and never aim for that torque there as it is the most dangerous to do for the engine. Our pistons and rods isnt done for that. We need to learn that pressure on engine (same boost) is a lot more at 3000 rpm compared to 6000 rpm, why is that? Well its about time you have with that max torque, 3000 rpm makes it double compared to 6000 rpm. Its always the power that makes car faster but HP´s comes from Torque x rpm so to have as an example same power at 3000 rpm as at 6000 rpm you need double torque at 3000 rpm, does engine like that with stock pistons, rods and that heat it produces = NO, NO.

I dont add any boost under 4000 rpm at all, ok I have 2-3 PSI more than stock from ECU but if you go WOT thru gears rpm will stay at 4500-6000 rpm, its where you need the MAX power. So go safe, if you go by these limits and say you should run half a mile, that could be fatal, even 1/4 can be if you stress these things to much.

For you as go catless or with primary catless DP;s you also preferably need to a re tune of the ECU for the boost curve witch is airmass tuned, otherwise you will have a lot over 20 psi peak boost and that is really dangerous, boost can also get higher by higher rpm and also higher thru each gear at WOT

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Our max of power with ALL changes is around 500 engine hp´s, then Turbos efficiency goes right to the basement. Thats also why you cant run more than 19 psi and less over 5000 rpm, just will make heat go up = less power
There are plenty of people running >500bhp (did you mean whp?) without going full E85 + CPI + reflash. Yes the turbos are starting to hit their efficiency limits, but they're not just hairdryers at that point...people have been running piggyback tunes past that for years with good results.

We need to learn that pressure on engine (same boost) is a lot more at 3000 rpm compared to 6000 rpm, why is that? Well its about time you have with that max torque, 3000 rpm makes it double compared to 6000 rpm. Its always the power that makes car faster but HP´s comes from Torque x rpm so to have as an example same power at 3000 rpm as at 6000 rpm you need double torque at 3000 rpm
I wouldn't say 3000 rpm is inherently riskier than 6000, it's just that on a stock turbo car, the OEM turbos are sized to spool early, so it's much easier to add big boost & torque down there vs. up high where you need much higher flow. A bigger turbo would spool later and have the same risk at 4500 or whatever.

But while some cars see their peak torque exceed the engine's strength, I didn't think that was a big problem on the Stinger...do you have any examples?

I dont add any boost under 4000 rpm at all, ok I have 2-3 PSI more than stock from ECU but if you go WOT thru gears rpm will stay at 4500-6000 rpm, its where you need the MAX power
This is fine for an all-out race engine, basically the scenario where a big dyno queen Supra turbo and its J-shaped power curve is justified. Why not go for the Lap 3 turbo kit that replaces the restrictive manifold-housings, and see what the upper limits are with E85, CPI, etc?

But most people want that healthy response and freight train torque in the 2-4000 range where they spend most of their street driving time.
 
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