3.3TT Down pipes or just cut out the secondary cats?

[Angel]

Exactly my thoughts. $500 for 100 in material lol. I think i found a custom fab that will do them for alot cheaper. Ill keep you all posted.

I agree to disagree...500 bucks is nothing man expecially jun bl are 650.....these DP are cheap and high quality...i doubt you will get shop in chicago to some some DP for under 500 bucks and if they did it would be shit LOL spend the money bro there worth it and you can always go back to stock...

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

I agree to disagree...500 bucks is nothing man expecially jun bl are 650.....these DP are cheap and high quality...i doubt you will get shop in chicago to some some DP for under 500 bucks and if they did it would be shit LOL spend the money bro there worth it and you can always go back to stock...

I'm more focused on just cutting the secondarys out. As someone just posted that's the biggest difference. Just dont see the cost benefits to buying dps when all they are doing is removing the secondary cat lol.

 

[SSR Performance]

I honestly think they are great, i just dont see the reason why they have a $500 tag. Im going to reach out to fab shops and muffler shops see how much they would charge me for 3" pipe and make these same down pipes.

In all honesty, I am thinking the same. These aren’t 600+ HP cars, so how much can the factory kink really hinder performance. I can’t justify $500 for bent tubing with a flange.

The creation, from beginning to end, takes place in the USA using only US made materials. Why? Quality. These pipes have a lifetime warranty because we KNOW they will work for as long as you have them on your car. Along with any customer support needed and developmental costs / time spent to create the product in the first place. Those pipes and dyno numbers didn't create themselves hahah.

Would love to see what your car dyno's before and after with just the stock cats cut out. We know that the SSR Performance downpipes did +30 WHP / +26 WTQ and you always have the option to go back to stock at any time and also have the option of reselling the downpipe and getting some money back which alone already makes cutting the cats out more expensive than going with SSR Performance downpipes, before even mentioning the cost to re-weld them back in.

Is the $489 price tag really too much to ask for in a product that offers this much value? If for you the answer is yes, then go ahead and get to choppin'

Shah @ SSR Performance

 

[Callum]

The creation, from beginning to end, takes place in the USA using only US made materials. Why? Quality. These pipes have a lifetime warranty because we KNOW they will work for as long as you have them on your car. Along with any customer support needed and developmental costs / time spent to create the product in the first place. Those pipes and dyno numbers didn't create themselves hahah.

Would love to see what your car dyno's before and after with just the stock cats cut out. We know that the SSR Performance downpipes did +30 WHP / +26 WTQ and you always have the option to go back to stock at any time and also have the option of reselling the downpipe and getting some money back which alone already makes cutting the cats out more expensive than going with SSR Performance downpipes, before even mentioning the cost to re-weld them back in.

Is the $489 price tag really too much to ask for in a product that offers this much value? If for you the answer is yes, then go ahead and get to choppin'

Shah @ SSR Performance

Shah,

In all honesty I'm probably going to be a chicken and buy the SSR ones. There is something about having some random exhaust shop "hack" my OE exhaust system up on a $52K car. $489 to support you guys ain't bad!

What kind of sound increase are you looking at, just with the DP's? Any turbo whistle or strictly a mild increase in exhaust note?

 

[Adamdan]

Shah,

In all honesty I'm probably going to be a chicken and buy the SSR ones. There is something about having some random exhaust shop "hack" my OE exhaust system up on a $52K car. $489 to support you guys ain't bad!

What kind of sound increase are you looking at, just with the DP's? Any turbo whistle or strictly a mild increase in exhaust note?

I would say it’s just a mild increase in exhaust note. It’s more in the lower rpm. At full throttle in the car it does not sound that much different inside the car but from the outside it sounds better. You might get some rasp at around 2500 under heavy load but it’s not to bad.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

The creation, from beginning to end, takes place in the USA using only US made materials. Why? Quality. These pipes have a lifetime warranty because we KNOW they will work for as long as you have them on your car. Along with any customer support needed and developmental costs / time spent to create the product in the first place. Those pipes and dyno numbers didn't create themselves hahah.

Would love to see what your car dyno's before and after with just the stock cats cut out. We know that the SSR Performance downpipes did +30 WHP / +26 WTQ and you always have the option to go back to stock at any time and also have the option of reselling the downpipe and getting some money back which alone already makes cutting the cats out more expensive than going with SSR Performance downpipes, before even mentioning the cost to re-weld them back in.

Is the $489 price tag really too much to ask for in a product that offers this much value? If for you the answer is yes, then go ahead and get to choppin'

Shah @ SSR Performance

I respect that you defend your product but now let me ask you how much in material is spent on these? $100? $150 Tops? I get you put in work to develop them and you should get reimbursed for that work, but im not the one to pay you for that service, when like i said you are not reinventing the wheel here, you essentially just remove some restriction. There is no secret sauce to this and in time with this platform there will be plenty of options to choose from that will be cheaper.

Make your money. I think the DPs look great, but im just not the type to spend a premium because you are one of two who are currently selling DP commercially for the stinger.

 

[SSR Performance]

Shah,

In all honesty I'm probably going to be a chicken and buy the SSR ones. There is something about having some random exhaust shop "hack" my OE exhaust system up on a $52K car. $489 to support you guys ain't bad!

What kind of sound increase are you looking at, just with the DP's? Any turbo whistle or strictly a mild increase in exhaust note?

I would say mild increase in exhaust note but definitely a noticeable increase in turbo whistle!

Shah @ SSR Performance

 

[SSR Performance]

I respect that you defend your product but now let me ask you how much in material is spent on these? $100? $150 Tops? I get you put in work to develop them and you should get reimbursed for that work, but im not the one to pay you for that service, when like i said you are not reinventing the wheel here, you essentially just remove some restriction. There is no secret sauce to this and in time with this platform there will be plenty of options to choose from that will be cheaper.

Make your money. I think the DPs look great, but im just not the type to spend a premium because you are one of two who are currently selling DP commercially for the stinger.

$150 in raw materials
$15 hardware
$10 packaging
$40 shipping (we offer free shipping on all orders)

Do the math sir... We have to pay our fabricators. Not debating here, just stating our parts are reasonably priced.

Shah @ SSR Performance

 

[jatleson]

How do the downpipes impact emission testing in Illinois?

 

[Angel]

How do the downpipes impact emission testing in Illinois?

no impact sir.......just like stock ..no issues......no problema....

 

[jatleson]

no impact sir.......just like stock ..no issues......no problema....

Thanks!! Still learning the terminology here. In my current BMW N54 world, removing the downpipes means the Cats come out as well. Getting past emissions with that setup is challenging and a crap shoot. Am i correct that the primary cats remain with this setup? The CATS connect to the turbo, the downpipes connect to the cats.

 

[Angel]

Thanks!! Still learning the terminology here. In my current BMW N54 world, removing the downpipes means the Cats come out as well. Getting past emissions with that setup is challenging and a crap shoot. Am i correct that the primary cats remain with this setup? The CATS connect to the turbo, the downpipes connect to the cats.

You will remove the secondary cat by installing downpipe but there are no 02 sensor on the downpipe so you will not get a check engine light or anything you will pass emmisions fine and you dont need a tune either...check the video that i made this should help...subscribe to channel

 

[SteveCo]

no impact sir.......just like stock ..no issues......no problema....

We don't have emissions testing in Alberta, but I would think any test that uses a sniffer on the exhaust outlet is going to see a substantial increase in emission levels. They didn't put two secondary cats on the pipes for fun - those are a pricey piece of hardware.

Do you know the Illinois emission standards, and that with removing those secondary cats the car will still meet them?

 

[Angel]

We don't have emissions testing in Alberta, but I would think any test that uses a sniffer on the exhaust outlet is going to see a substantial increase in emission levels. They didn't put two secondary cats on the pipes for fun - those are a pricey piece of hardware.

Do you know the Illinois emission standards, and that with removing those secondary cats the car will still meet them?

Steve I won’t waste my time writing so much ... but I will say this I live in Illinois ..... I am from Illinois ..... I think that answers your question .....

 

[SteveCo]

I think that answers your question .....

Thanks for the reply, but actually, no it doesn't. Living in that state, perhaps you have that information at hand. Does Illinois not check the actual emission levels?

I expect the two stage cats on American cars are there to meet the most stringent US standards - did SSR provide any info on that?

 

[6172crew]

Emissions (CA, Euro, Ill, etc) also test sound, not just HC or whatever. Even airbox intakes are designed to be quiet. The Ducati’s I own also have a 15t sprocket so rpms are less when the ride by takes place. The crimp before our stock mufflers is probably back pressure but could also be emissions. My guess it the first cats close to the exhaust ports help keep exhaust hot until it hits the secondary’s and makes them work less. Of kooks green cats didn’t cost so much I’d like to replace the stock with them. They work well and flow great, but out of my price range.

 

[jatleson]

In IL emissions is a odb2 check to see all systems are working and ready. As long as the car looks stock on the outside and is reasonable during idle all is good. No first hand experience, but I believe Angel is correct about not having issues with emissions.

 

[SteveCo]

In IL emissions is a odb2 check to see all systems are working and ready.

Thanks, that's the answer I was looking for. Without checking tailpipe emissions, they are relying on the ECU to indicate an emissions system failure, and would miss the increase in downstream output.

So it sounds like the only legal issue (disregarding the environmental) would be tampering with the factory emission controls, which I believe is illegal - and likely why SSR has the caveat 'for racing/off road use only'. The big fines on that seem to be for the providers/installers more than the users, but I think they could still tag you for it in an emission inspection if they bothered to check.

 

[6172crew]

IL sounds like cake walk to CA, that state is out of control. If you get hit with a possible bad cat they send a report back and it has to be verified not stolen. Basically they do a visual on all carbon type emissions every other year, except for new cars which are 5 year. I sold a RS6 to a guy in NM and they checked the gas cap. Ca is a dyno check. In remote CA counties there is no smog, if you have a CARB # on after market parts it will pass the visual.

 

[Casper_gt2]

I gutted mine so as it looks completely stock, the added performance was well worth it..

How did it sound/feel? Also did you hear the turbo whistle with gutted cats?