You know that saying "let sleeping dogs lie"? How many Stinger Forum members have complained about ALL noises? It's not as easy to quantify as the "paint quality/chips" thread and poll which has been up for over a year now. The responses on that thread alone outnumber ALL noises posts. How do I know that? I deduce by the amount of traffic these "noises" threads get. The paint quality/chips poll has attracted less than 5% of the forum's membership. Is it because less than 5% have paint quality issues? Or is it because most Stinger drivers don't notice their paint quality? Are most owners just not interested in what doesn't concern them? All of the above? Probably most humans don't give a crap if it isn't their problem too. The point is this: if hardly anybody has bothered to vote "yay or nay" in a poll, that's a pretty good indicator that there isn't a problem for them. The afflicted few make all the noise. In this case, literally they make noise about noises. Their problems are shared. I come here (and to the paint discussion) not because I share the same problems but because I care about them. So, of course not: I don't believe the problems don't exist. I assert that I have very likely read more of these posts more times than any other given forum member. There is no way that I could believe you're all up in the night hearing things and seeing things that aren't there. Incidence is my pet agenda: how common are these flaws in our cars? And the evidence is that something like 95% of Stingers do not have extraneous noises bothering their drivers. Same with any other flaw or manufacturing fubar.