DECISION TIME: CPO Gt-Line or GT1?

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

So I sold off my audi and have a healthy down payment saved for a stinger ($18000). Looking to buy before the end of the year.

Ive decided on a 2022/2023 model year. I know the 2021 is the preferred GT1, but there aren't any CPO cars that I can find without high miles. Also id like to enjoy as many years of the warranty as possible.
The CPO 2022 GT2s are a little out my price range.

This will be my daily driver/family car.

Ive narrowed it down to these cars:

* 2022 GT-Line CPO, 8k miles, sun sound package, AWD, $34K, $358/mo

* 2022 GT1, CPO, 12k miles, sun sound package, AWD, $38K $421/mo

* 2023 GT-line, New/loaner car, 5k miles,sun sound package, apex package, AWD ,$40,000/$400 mo. Out of my area, so hoping to negotiate in delivery.

Here are my pro/cons

* my indy mechanic states oil changes and brake jobs will be the same cost between the two

* gas mileage obviously better with the 4cyl

* insurance quote is the same between both models

* ability to rotate tires with 4cyl. I can budget part of the down payment for square tire and wheel set up on the V6 (looks like min $2000). This would allow me to run all seasons or even winter tires, and keep the staggered set for summer use.
Replacement costs for the tires on the GT-Line would be marginally less expensive.

* No carbon build on intake valves with the 4cyl, although catch cans can supposedly mitigate this

* Other possible increased maintenance costs with the 6 (?)

Ive driven both and obviously money no-object, the v6 is the way to go.

So whats your call?
Would the extra maintenance costs, gas mileage , and tire consumption/cost of square tire setup be enough to put you in the 4cyl?

Is there enough difference between the new GT lines vs the GT1 (other than the motor) to draw you to the GT1?

Think I can negotiate a reasonable discount going into the end if the year?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts or advice.

 

[ShaPoopieZ]

2022 GT1. The 4k milage difference is nothing. You still have 80k on the CPO warranty.
You will forever regret paying nearly the same price for car with basically half the performance ( Gt line ).
The GT1 has most of the goodies as the GT2 .

The GT line is speed limited . But Not that you may ever use it.
I put a square winter setup on my 2018 Gt 3.3 Awd for less then 1400. And then both sets of tires last at least 4 yrs.
Although we have only put 7k on our in 3 yrs.

We get about 30 mpg with a JB4 tune so unless the 4 cyl gets 40+ then MPG isn't even in the consideration for me.

 

[AtomicGTL]

Please pick the gt1.

This shouldn't even be debatable

 

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

2022 GT1. The 4k milage difference is nothing. You still have 80k on the CPO warranty.
You will forever regret paying nearly the same price for car with basically half the performance ( Gt line ).
The GT1 has most of the goodies as the GT2 .

The GT line is speed limited . But Not that you may ever use it.
I put a square winter setup on my 2018 Gt 3.3 Awd for less then 1400. And then both sets of tires last at least 4 yrs.
Although we have only put 7k on our in 3 yrs.

We get about 30 mpg with a JB4 tune so unless the 4 cyl gets 40+ then MPG isn't even in the consideration for me.

Thanks for the input. Live in the PNW with occasional snow (lots of hills locally too).
Thinking i might put snows on the staggered wheels and good all seasons on the new squared set. Since snows wont be used that often, it won't matter all that much that i cant rotate them.
Since rain is a factor here, Im thinking all-seasons that can be rotated will probably be the best bet.

 

[ShaPoopieZ]

Snows are a much better bet on square 18's because they are more 1. More sidewall for bad road conditions. 2. Much cheaper and more compatible sizes then 19 staggered wheel.
I would highly recommend 18 inch square for winter.

I get amost a half inch more ground clearance on my winter squared set up then my 3 season staggered wheels.

I'm in Spokane Wa. And have a solid 5 months of winter and hard beatup roads.
The car is much more plush and manageable in bad conditions with the square setup. Almost drives like a crossover suv. Ill post my winter setup and size soon when i dig up the specs. Or its also in a previous post /discussion.

 

[ShaPoopieZ]

Going to try and link this thread. Good discussion on winter wheels and tires.

GT2 winter tires and rims

I just bought a 2022 GT2 AWD and I'm looking for good winter tires. Unfortunately with the staggered wheel sizes they are very few selections. If I find a pair of rims from the front for the rear or vice versa, is that plausible? Or can I use the GT line 18s instead?

stingerforum.org

 

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

Thank

Going to try and link this thread. Good discussion on winter wheels and tires.

GT2 winter tires and rims

I just bought a 2022 GT2 AWD and I'm looking for good winter tires. Unfortunately with the staggered wheel sizes they are very few selections. If I find a pair of rims from the front for the rear or vice versa, is that plausible? Or can I use the GT line 18s instead?

stingerforum.org

Thank You again

 

[AdrianG]

Don't even bother if it's not the 3.3, that's all I've got to say about that.

 

[7Andrei7]

I get amost a half inch more ground clearance on my winter squared set up then my 3 season staggered wheels.

Is it because you have the wrong tire size? No other reason for a squared setup to increase ground clearance.

 

[ShaPoopieZ]

I purposely got a larger/taller aspect ratio tire with more sidewall for winter conditions. The choices in a 18ninch wheel for tires is much larger and about 30% cheaper per tire then the staggered set up.

Lots of hiden hazards while driving in snow as well as softer ride.

Normally people plus size the wheel to achieve less sidewall for less flex and tighter response.
But it is possible to minus size the wheel and tire and fit more rubber into the wheel arch for bad conditions.

Think of a Rally car on Snows vs a full tarmac sprint course.

The overall rolling diameter may be the same or larger or smaller.

I prefer larger in snowy conditions.

The car doesnt get drivin over 60 mph/100kph so any loss of high speed performace is well worth the safety and handling trade for ice and snow traction..

 

[LordKOTL]

I'd be getting the GT1...but that's just me.

 

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

Snows are a much better bet on square 18's because they are more 1. More sidewall for bad road conditions. 2. Much cheaper and more compatible sizes then 19 staggered wheel.
I would highly recommend 18 inch square for winter.

I get amost a half inch more ground clearance on my winter squared set up then my 3 season staggered wheels.

I'm in Spokane Wa. And have a solid 5 months of winter and hard beatup roads.
The car is much more plush and manageable in bad conditions with the square setup. Almost drives like a crossover suv. Ill post my winter setup and size soon when i dig up the specs. Or its also in a previous post /discussion.

If you were on the west side would you bother with snows? Or just run good all seasons?

 

[Maljey]

So I sold off my audi and have a healthy down payment saved for a stinger ($18000). Looking to buy before the end of the year.

Ive decided on a 2022/2023 model year. I know the 2021 is the preferred GT1, but there aren't any CPO cars that I can find without high miles. Also id like to enjoy as many years of the warranty as possible.
The CPO 2022 GT2s are a little out my price range.

This will be my daily driver/family car.

Ive narrowed it down to these cars:

* 2022 GT-Line CPO, 8k miles, sun sound package, AWD, $34K, $358/mo

* 2022 GT1, CPO, 12k miles, sun sound package, AWD, $38K $421/mo

* 2023 GT-line, New/loaner car, 5k miles,sun sound package, apex package, AWD ,$40,000/$400 mo. Out of my area, so hoping to negotiate in delivery.

Here are my pro/cons

* my indy mechanic states oil changes and brake jobs will be the same cost between the two

* gas mileage obviously better with the 4cyl

* insurance quote is the same between both models

* ability to rotate tires with 4cyl. I can budget part of the down payment for square tire and wheel set up on the V6 (looks like min $2000). This would allow me to run all seasons or even winter tires, and keep the staggered set for summer use.
Replacement costs for the tires on the GT-Line would be marginally less expensive.

* No carbon build on intake valves with the 4cyl, although catch cans can supposedly mitigate this

* Other possible increased maintenance costs with the 6 (?)

Ive driven both and obviously money no-object, the v6 is the way to go.

So whats your call?
Would the extra maintenance costs, gas mileage , and tire consumption/cost of square tire setup be enough to put you in the 4cyl?

Is there enough difference between the new GT lines vs the GT1 (other than the motor) to draw you to the GT1?

Think I can negotiate a reasonable discount going into the end if the year?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts or advice.

Brake jobs will absolutely not be the same between a GT-Line and GT1. The GT1 has Brembos which are expensive. If you're not going to replace them with Brembo pads again then the price should be more reasonable. Maybe your mechanic is considering that. Most people on these forums don't replace them with new Brembo pads anyway due to the notorious issues with the Brembo pads leaving deposits on the rotors, and their cost overall.

I definitely won't be getting Brembo pads again once mine are done. I don't even have any brake pad deposit issues, but the cost alone is prohibitive enough.

As for your overall question--at those comparative prices go GT1 for sure!

The GT1 will be the more sportier car, no only for the engine, but for the AWD as well. The GT1 has torque vectoring AWD, which can help with spirited driving in corners (and should also be more helpful in adverse conditions), while the GT-Line does not. There's a SavageGeese video on the GT-Line that shows the car cuts power (even with all the TSC and Stability control turned off) when driving to corner spiritedly. I've yet to see/experience that with the GT1 or GT2 AWD systems.

There are some minor interior difference--I know that the area around the shifter and cup holders is brushed aluminum on the GT1 trim, whereas the GT-Line is all piano black trim (prone to dust and scratches). There might be some other differences as well but that one stood out to me the most and I don't like piano black.

The G1 should hold its value better, especially if you decide the upkeep costs are not to your liking.

I do still think the GT-Line is a great car, but when the prices are so close in your scenario I would absolutely go GT1 instead.

 

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

Brake jobs will absolutely not be the same between a GT-Line and GT1. The GT1 has Brembos which are expensive. If you're not going to replace them with Brembo pads again then the price should be more reasonable. Maybe your mechanic is considering that. Most people on these forums don't replace them with new Brembo pads anyway due to the notorious issues with the Brembo pads leaving deposits on the rotors, and their cost overall.

I definitely won't be getting Brembo pads again once mine are done. I don't even have any brake pad deposit issues, but the cost alone is prohibitive enough.

As for your overall question--at those comparative prices go GT1 for sure!

The GT1 will be the more sportier car, no only for the engine, but for the AWD as well. The GT1 has torque vectoring AWD, which can help with spirited driving in corners, while the GT-Line does not. There's a SavageGeese video on the GT-Line that shows the car cuts power (even with all the TSC and Stability control turned off) when driving to corner spiritedly. I've yet to see/experience that with the GT1 or GT2 AWD systems.

There are some minor interior difference--I know that the area around the shifter and cup holders is brushed aluminum on the GT1 trim, whereas the GT-Line is all piano black trim (prone to dust and scratches). There might be some other differences as well but that one stood out to me the most and I don't like piano black.

The G1 should hold its value better, especially if you decide the upkeep costs are not to your liking.

I do still think the GT-Line is a great car, but when the prices are so close in your scenario I would absolutely go GT1 instead.

Thanks for the reply. Aside from tires, what maintenance costs have you incurred, esp those may be different from the 4cyl?

 

[Maljey]

Thanks for the reply. Aside from tires, what maintenance costs have you incurred, esp those may be different from the 4cyl?

I'm still low miles (15K-ish) so unfortunately I'm not the best person to answer overall maintenance costs. I've literally only done oil changes at the dealership so far. I did the cabin air filter myself.

 

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

I'm still low miles (15K-ish) so unfortunately I'm not the best person to answer overall maintenance costs. I've literally only done oil changes at the dealership so far. I did the cabin air filter myself.

I guess my main sticking point will end up being maintenance costs. We make good salaries but dont want to have a money pit car either.

My initial thought about the 4cyl was that its still faster than the audi Im replacing, but with potentially less running costs than the 6.
However, as you and others have pointed out, the initial buy-in is super close.

If the cpo GT-lines were ~$30k, i think theyd be a good bet

 

[ShaPoopieZ]

West side i wouldnt do snow tires just a good all season.
The AWD and all seasons does great even for me on the east side for everything but the worst days.
I lived on the west side for 15 years and never had snows on any car i ever had including work trucks.

Only ever had a problem once while in PDX for 2008 when the whole city couldt go anywhere and tires werent going to make one bit of difference.

 

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

West side i wouldnt do snow tires just a good all season.
The AWD and all seasons does great even for me on the east side for everything but the worst days.
I lived on the west side for 15 years and never had snows on any car i ever had including work trucks.

Only ever had a problem once while in PDX for 2008 when the whole city couldt go anywhere and tires werent going to make one bit of difference.

Thanks for taking time to reply to all my questions.

Is your Stinger a weekend car? You had mentioned only 7k miles on a 2018.
Hoping to glean info on running costs/maintenance.

 

[Rich_Freakin_Evans]

@BlaydeX15, I noticed from other threads that you have a 22 GT1 with some miles on it. Care to chime in with your maintenance costs?
Thank you

 

[ShaPoopieZ]

Thanks for taking time to reply to all my questions.

Is your Stinger a weekend car? You had mentioned only 7k miles on a 2018.
Hoping to glean info on running costs/maintenance.

We use it mainly for road trips. My wife does daily it a few days a week but only about 20 miles.

Covid had her working remote and she still does 75% of the time now.

I also have a company vehicle and a Tundra and Grand cherokee . So thats why the low miles.