3.3TT Can't get wheel spin no matter what I try. (2022 3.3 AWD)

[ElChanclo]

Last spring I was at a red light on a quiet rainy night (comfort mode), and got some fun wheel spin punching it off the line. I didn't think the AWD could do that, but haven't been able to do it again since.

Mulling it over I figured my best bet was to wait for some heavy rain and set the car up to try it gain. Put on the smaller rims and tires (225/40/18 square), thinking a smaller diameter and narrower rears would increase the odds.

Finally got an absolute downpour the other day and took the car down to an empty farm road; Sport mode, ESC + TCS off, Launch control ready, 2.5k, wipers barely keepin up with the downpour... still hooks up and takes off with no spin.

I can't figure it out, maybe it was too warm out? 15c (59f). Really thought I had it in the bag this time. I did it without trying the 1st time and now it's bugging me, any advice?

 

[Snowwhite]

Launch control won’t let you spin much.

 

[Kodiack]

So...You are complaining about the fact that this car is so well designed it puts all of the hp to the road too efficiently?..lol
I think pulling the fuse for AWD and going RWD is the best way to get wheel spin...the AWD system is just too good at balancing the power to the ground.

 

[D.J.]

You want to decrease traction? And increase wheel spin?

Definitely disable the AWD transfer case clutch pump. It's electric, so pulling the fuse completely disabled it.

 

[ElChanclo]

Launch control won’t let you spin much.

Shoulda seen the smile on my face when it did!

So...You are complaining about the fact that this car is so well designed it puts all of the hp to the road too efficiently?..lol

Exactly! Kinda bullshit is that?? XD

You want to decrease traction? And increase wheel spin?

Definitely disable the AWD transfer case clutch pump. It's electric, so pulling the fuse completely disabled it.

Any drawbacks or side effects to doing that?


I wonder if it could be the tires? The ones that spun were the OEM 19" PS4 summers. These scrap 18's are some half worn knockoff "S&M Cumho" brand but the tread is technically all season. I'll give them another shot, park outside once the weather cools down, see if cold rubber helps.

 

[LordKOTL]

You can always coat the tire treads with armor-all.

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No Really. Don't.

 

[GT Elite]

Launch control maximizes acceleration within the available traction limits. That is to say it PREVENTS wheel spin.

In theory, narrower tires have more traction for acceleration and braking. Wider tires are better for cornering. It has to do with the shape of the contact patch. For both configurations at the same air pressure the total area of the contact patch is the same. With the narrower tire, the contact patch will be longer but narrower. The wide tire will have a shorter but wider contact patch. The longer the contact patch the more rubber for longitudinal traction for acceleration/braking.

 

[Ah GetFd]

Last spring I was at a red light on a quiet rainy night (comfort mode), and got some fun wheel spin punching it off the line. I didn't think the AWD could do that, but haven't been able to do it again since.

Mulling it over I figured my best bet was to wait for some heavy rain and set the car up to try it gain. Put on the smaller rims and tires (225/40/18 square), thinking a smaller diameter and narrower rears would increase the odds.

Finally got an absolute downpour the other day and took the car down to an empty farm road; Sport mode, ESC + TCS off, Launch control ready, 2.5k, wipers barely keepin up with the downpour... still hooks up and takes off with no spin.

I can't figure it out, maybe it was too warm out? 15c (59f). Really thought I had it in the bag this time. I did it without trying the 1st time and now it's bugging me, any advice?

It's probably not a bad thing.

In Melbourne which is Australia's largest city hoon legislation means any driver caught spinning the wheels deliberately has their car impounded for 30 days with a fine and recovery fee of around $2,000. Three offences in three years the car is forfeited to the State.

 

[D.J.]

Any drawbacks or side effects to doing that?

You will get a notification on dash telling you there is an AWD malfunction - because it is disabled..
It typically clears itself within 3 drive cycles with AWD fuse reinstalled.

 

[D.J.]

I wonder if it could be the tires? The ones that spun were the OEM 19" PS4 summers. These scrap 18's are some half worn knockoff "S&M Cumho" brand but the tread is technically all season. I'll give them another shot, park outside once the weather cools down, see if cold rubber helps.

Are you saying you lost traction with the Michelin PS4S tires, but you no longer lose traction using half worn Khumo tires (probably ECSTA PS71)?

Did I read that correctly?

 

[Yves998]

Try harder lol. Not even that hard for a 4 wheel spin.

 

[LordKOTL]

You will get a notification on dash telling you there is an AWD malfunction - because it is disabled..
It typically clears itself within 3 drive cycles with AWD fuse reinstalled.

I think I read on these forums that if the AWD fuse is pulled, it may stop the transfer case fluid from being pumped around.

It might be okay in short bursts, like dyno-ing, but there may he risk having it permanently pulled.

Others way more knowledgeable should ne better sources than I.

 

[D.J.]

I think I read on these forums that if the AWD fuse is pulled, it may stop the transfer case fluid from being pumped around.

It might be okay in short bursts, like dyno-ing, but there may he risk having it permanently pulled.

Others way more knowledgeable should ne better sources than I.

The oil pump in the transfer case is used to vary the pressure on the clutch pack, To control how much, if any, torque is applied to the front. During normal driving, the oil pump is off.
The transfer case is lubricated by being semi submerged in oil.

 

[ElChanclo]

You can always coat the tire treads with armor-all.

WARNING: Do not actually do this.
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No Really. Don't.

Well now I can't think about anything EXCEPT doing that...

Launch control maximizes acceleration within the available traction limits. That is to say it PREVENTS wheel spin.

Interesting, you're saying that even with ESC & TCS off, the launch control system still interferes to maximise traction?

Are you saying you lost traction with the Michelin PS4S tires, but you no longer lose traction using half worn Khumo tires (probably ECSTA PS71)?

Did I read that correctly?

Yes, but just "PS4" not PS4S. Looked at the M+S 18's again, they're "Kumho Majesty Solus" from 2019. NEver seen that brand so just assumed they're a cheap Chinese knockoff but they're actually made in Korea, like the Stinger =D Doesn't specify North or South tho...

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Try harder lol. Not even that hard for a 4 wheel spin.

I'm sure an extra 130hp would do the trick, I'm not quite there yet though. Still working on the brakes.

I think I read on these forums that if the AWD fuse is pulled, it may stop the transfer case fluid from being pumped around.

It might be okay in short bursts, like dyno-ing, but there may he risk having it permanently pulled.

I've seen it mentioned but you don't get any weight savings back by just disabling the AWD system never given it much thought. I'll need to shred some tires soon so I'll have a closer look.


I was lucky to hit the same intersection last night, in the rain, zero traffic. There's a small grade/incline at the light, seems to be a critical factor.
I got into Sport with ESC & TCS off, Launch Ready, and managed to get about a second of spin. I was expecting it this time so I kept the pedal floored but the engine just bogged the revs down instead.
Could it be the launch control cutting in to find traction like GTelite mentioned?

 

[Snowwhite]

do not use launch control if you want to spin. turn off esc and tsc and let 'er rip. you can probably leave it in comfort to keep it from launch mode. honestly, I doubt you even need to brake torque it as long as the traction and stability controls are off.

 

[LordKOTL]

Well now I can't think about anything EXCEPT doing that...

I said it tongue-in-cheek, but there are people who did that with sometimes disasterous results.

Granted, it's not as bad as coating your tires in KY Jelly...and DO NOT EVER DO THAT!

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I've seen it mentioned but you don't get any weight savings back by just disabling the AWD system never given it much thought. I'll need to shred some tires soon so I'll have a closer look.

I think it's less about weight gain and more abut grenading your transfer case.

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[LordKOTL]

The oil pump in the transfer case is used to vary the pressure on the clutch pack, To control how much, if any, torque is applied to the front. During normal driving, the oil pump is off.
The transfer case is lubricated by being semi submerged in oil.

I watched that video awhile back in the thread about how exactly the power is split in the transfer case. I recall there being some concern that the pump does more than just apply pressure to the clutch pack. Personally, I'd not do it, but that's just me.

 

[D.J.]

I watched that video awhile back in the thread about how exactly the power is split in the transfer case. I recall there being some concern that the pump does more than just apply pressure to the clutch pack. Personally, I'd not do it, but that's just me.

I can't understand why anyone would want to disable the AWD, other than for a dyno pull if they can't find a 4 wheel dyno.

I actually don't comprehend the purpose of this thread.

 

[JSolo]

^^Perhaps this is the effect the OP is after...

 

[LordKOTL]

I can't understand why anyone would want to disable the AWD, other than for a dyno pull if they can't find a 4 wheel dyno.

I actually don't comprehend the purpose of this thread.

Personally, I agree. Burnout = less power transfer to the pavement = less acceleration = less throw you back in your seat.

However...I do get the allure of a major burnout. So, to each their own.