Paladin611
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Nah. The OEM’s are the most reliable choice. Even Merlin has driven 42k on them without any issues.
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ChaneRZ
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That’s good to hear.
Paladin611
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Yeah, I come to find that the OEM pads ARE actually Brembos. I’m fine with that! lol
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Aarvix
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Have fun ruining your new rotors with OEM pads. Fixing the problem by replacing the faulty component with the same faulty component.....look up "definition of insanity"
If you want to trust Merlin's experience (who admittedly doesn't drive his car hard) over the dozens of folks who fixed the issue by ditching the OEM pads, then I wish you the best of luck.
FWIW my shuddering was fixed by going to aftermarket pads (on stock rotors).
If you want to trust Merlin's experience (who admittedly doesn't drive his car hard) over the dozens of folks who fixed the issue by ditching the OEM pads, then I wish you the best of luck.
FWIW my shuddering was fixed by going to aftermarket pads (on stock rotors).
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MerlintheMad
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I always wanted a poll on brake pad/rotor issues. Like the paint chip/quality poll, it would show less than 3% of the forum membership complaining. People look for a forum to air their rants and seek answers: so the preponderance of posts are from those with a given issue. "Dozens" come from that exact demographic. Thousands never know there's an issue at all. If you are one of those who must have aftermarket pads/rotors to fix this, just be grateful there is an easy, not too expensive fix. I'm glad for you. And my brakes will need replacing someday. I'll likely try an aftermarket setup. Not because I need to, but because I've got this weak urge to put a higher performing set of brakes on my Stinger.
Merlin...With all due respect, Its a great vehicle but the OEM brake pads suck, Kia and all the dealers know this.
Its not driving styles, many of the folks who have and currently still have this problem also have other high performance vehicles.
I myself have owned Ferrari, Renault R5Turbo, Porsche 930 Turbo and currently a 2003 Carrera 4S and none of them have had brake or shuddering problems.
Granted yes, other problems but not warped or shuddering brakes.
Respectfully.
Its not driving styles, many of the folks who have and currently still have this problem also have other high performance vehicles.
I myself have owned Ferrari, Renault R5Turbo, Porsche 930 Turbo and currently a 2003 Carrera 4S and none of them have had brake or shuddering problems.
Granted yes, other problems but not warped or shuddering brakes.
Respectfully.
WRXtoStingerGT
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Yeah I have to jump in and say it's the pads. It always has been. I do not think that ALL of the USA-spec OEM pads are defective but a good percentage are. I also think that there is a good size pool of people who simply do not frequent car forums and therefore do not post about this problem. I admit that there is probably a small pool of owners who have this problem but I do firmly believe the problem is with the Stinger and not the drivers. Even if it's like 5% of Stinger owners experiencing this issue... again... this problem is occurring in Canadian, American, and Australian cars that are "Brembo" equipped.
I had to bring my car to the dealership multiple times to get it fixed under warranty. The problems "magically" went away after Kia finally approved the dealership to use the EURO-spec parts and not keep replacing with USA- spec OEM parts. The technicians and service manager all said that this was "a common problem with Stingers with the Brembo brakes" and that I was not the first guy to bring my car in for this issue. They also told me that Kia liked to first have them replace the pads with OEM (USA-spec) and surface the rotors down which would never permanently solve the issue. It takes multiple tries before Kia actually approves replacing it with the Euro-spec parts unless the customer directly requests it.
At first I did think perhaps it was my own driving even though I was babying the car the first few months of ownership. I've beat on my previous cars, my friends beat on their cars, and nobody has ever had this issue. When I brought my car in the second time I had the service manager tell me, on record, that it was not my driving but the car itself. He also complained to me how Kia would often have them "repair" the issue by using the same useless pads and then play dumb when the problem would occur again after 12months/12kmiles and thus have the customer pay for the repairs.
Kia knows what they are doing. They also know that because such a small percentage of Stinger owners are being negatively affected by this problem that nobody will take them seriously or care. These forums show that perfectly. We have people on here repeatedly saying that it is the driver and not the car. I am sure their tone would change if they had the problem themselves or experienced it in the future. It doesn't matter.
I remember the same nonsense on the GTR forums for the transmission failing because of launch control. All the hardcore GTR fanboys were defending the GTR while people on the other side of the camp were stunned that a car that advertised a crazy launch would have its warranty voided by Nissan for using a feature advertised on their vehicle.
*shrug*
It doesn't matter. I love my Stinger but I also know that the problem was with the car and not me. Again, the issue went away and has not returned after switching to EURO-spec parts.
I had to bring my car to the dealership multiple times to get it fixed under warranty. The problems "magically" went away after Kia finally approved the dealership to use the EURO-spec parts and not keep replacing with USA- spec OEM parts. The technicians and service manager all said that this was "a common problem with Stingers with the Brembo brakes" and that I was not the first guy to bring my car in for this issue. They also told me that Kia liked to first have them replace the pads with OEM (USA-spec) and surface the rotors down which would never permanently solve the issue. It takes multiple tries before Kia actually approves replacing it with the Euro-spec parts unless the customer directly requests it.
At first I did think perhaps it was my own driving even though I was babying the car the first few months of ownership. I've beat on my previous cars, my friends beat on their cars, and nobody has ever had this issue. When I brought my car in the second time I had the service manager tell me, on record, that it was not my driving but the car itself. He also complained to me how Kia would often have them "repair" the issue by using the same useless pads and then play dumb when the problem would occur again after 12months/12kmiles and thus have the customer pay for the repairs.
Kia knows what they are doing. They also know that because such a small percentage of Stinger owners are being negatively affected by this problem that nobody will take them seriously or care. These forums show that perfectly. We have people on here repeatedly saying that it is the driver and not the car. I am sure their tone would change if they had the problem themselves or experienced it in the future. It doesn't matter.
I remember the same nonsense on the GTR forums for the transmission failing because of launch control. All the hardcore GTR fanboys were defending the GTR while people on the other side of the camp were stunned that a car that advertised a crazy launch would have its warranty voided by Nissan for using a feature advertised on their vehicle.
*shrug*
It doesn't matter. I love my Stinger but I also know that the problem was with the car and not me. Again, the issue went away and has not returned after switching to EURO-spec parts.
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MerlintheMad
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Isn't it interesting, that not one Base, Premium or GT-Line (i.e. not Brembo) has complained of this? Does anyone remember a forum member complaining about "factory brakes"? I don't.
Nothing about this "Brembo" issue is commonly known or noticed by the vast majority of GT Stinger owners, or else this forum would be flooded with traffic, all coming here to carp about it. The flow of complaints is a steady trickle. I read all of these threads and refer back to them a lot. That's because this issue crops up at any time/mileage: I am not immune, just not one of yous guys (hopefully not "not yet"
). It is a common problem, just not a majority or even large minority one. If it were, Kia would have put out a TSB long ago and called in all Brembo brakes and replaced the pads with Euro spec or something from a short list of approved aftermarket pads: and Kia would have ceased long ago from putting in the "US spec" pads. Here we get the ear full. Out in the wider Stinger world, drivers are happy with their brakes, or they take them in to get serviced and are then happy. Or they finally get tired of dealing with Kia and ditch the car.Yes, the "Speed Week" Stinger had fading brakes on day one; Kia sent over a set of Euro spec pads (night expressed them, if I recall correctly), and all subsequent use of the car was fine. I've always wondered if Randy Pobst was lapping with the Euro spec pads or OEM US spec: he did not complain or observe any brake fade issues. I think the car Pobst used was totally stock: I do know that other drivers of the car did complain about the brakes losing performance after the first lap or two: but he did not: leading me to my conclusion that it is the driver: he's just that much better at using brakes than the other complaining drivers. What this has to do with shuddering brakes is debatable.
I've said this before: the US spec Brembo brakes are not ready for a track day. I take this as gospel from those who know and why would I argue from a position of no experience? If I ever do a track day, it will only be after I've replaced the pads with suitable aftermarket performance pads, and probably even rotors. I will also get stainless brake lines and replace the fluid with higher spec to take the heat, etc. Anything else? I've already got all that on my short list of mods, if I ever do track my Stinger.
Respectfully.... My 2018 GT2 and my 8000 mile 2021 GT2 have never been tracked and never have been in launch mode.
Nobody is saying the brakes don't work or stop the car in a respectable distance, we are saying that the brakes cause the steering wheel to shake and the entire car to shudder .
Nobody is saying the brakes don't work or stop the car in a respectable distance, we are saying that the brakes cause the steering wheel to shake and the entire car to shudder .
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I think if you never use more than 5-10% of the braking capacity and don't make repeated hard stops, the pads will work fine without any shuddering - I mean, my car didn't do this new, right off the lot - and I was ready to change my pads as soon as it happened. Some people let the car coast 1/4 mile when there's a red light up ahead. Others go full speed to the last possible distance and brake hard. Guess which type of driver is more likely to buy a Stinger, and therefore to see issues?
Merlin goes to great lengths to post that he's a "calm, relaxed" driver who never ever challenges anyone off a light, etc. I'm sure that the OEM pads work fine without any issue for him, since he claims to drive the Stinger as if it's a Versa.
Most here bought the Stinger to actually use more than 5% of its capabilities, so that's why we end up with shuddering.
Not unique to the Stinger, btw - I had similar issues with OEM Subaru pads on my '05 LGT and on our '08 Grand Caravan.
Merlin goes to great lengths to post that he's a "calm, relaxed" driver who never ever challenges anyone off a light, etc. I'm sure that the OEM pads work fine without any issue for him, since he claims to drive the Stinger as if it's a Versa.
Most here bought the Stinger to actually use more than 5% of its capabilities, so that's why we end up with shuddering.
Not unique to the Stinger, btw - I had similar issues with OEM Subaru pads on my '05 LGT and on our '08 Grand Caravan.
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ChaneRZ
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LOL Versa . Stingers are best to be driven hard. Go get a Prius so you have regenerative brakes.
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Don't be silly. I don't even know what a Versa is. I use the kickdown switch quite often. Also I value the Stinger's prowess in twisty bits: have run the Tail of the Dragon four times: and have upgraded sway bars. I disparage smoking tires and breaking loose. But yes, I brake like my dad taught me to; and he braked like a grandpa long before he was a grandpa.
Paladin611
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Yeah, and funny thing too, admidst all the debate that I caused with this thread- though my pads are on their last legs prior to the change, my car doesn’t shake or exhibit any other unusual behavior when I brake, other than the normal grind you “feel” when your brakes are low- and I drive hard 50% of the time.
I guess I’m “lucky.”
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Howdy and welcome (to your new brakes too).
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