Blood Type Racing (BTR) working on Stinger tunes (2.0/3.3)

[Oryan]

Hyundai/Kia have this habit of flashing over tunes. Even if you're sending the car in for something completely unrelated like an oil change or something, there's no shortage of people with tuned ECU's that get a "dealer service" that resets the ECU back to stock.

 

[terrelltechsup]

Why would you want to spend on spare ECU?

Most likely because they don't want to pull theirs and ship it to BTR and be down a car till it comes back. ECU/TCU flash via OBDII for whatever reason is not something that was easy to do on the Hyundai/KIA ECU. With the KIA Optima it took many years before anyone came out with one. Until that happened, BTR and others would fly their tuners in from Korea for tuning events. If you couldn't make it to those or they didn't hold them in your area you were SOL.

 

[Blitz]

Why would you want to spend on spare ECU?

I mean we know back end changes make you faster with the same mods, and there really aren't any options! It's not like we have a plethora of choices and we are choosing to spend more money for nothing lol!

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Why would you want to spend on spare ECU?

Encryption Terry! They NEED encryption lol.

 

[terrelltechsup]

Encryption Terry! They NEED encryption lol.

I am just going to say this.... In the past, certain tuners drilled out/epoxied the BDM port pins without notifying their customers. They even did this on ECUs that customer's sent in. Now they have a tiny disclaimer at the bottom that mentions something along these lines. Just so everyone is aware, there is a good chance that if you get the spare ECU tune from them or others, or you ship yours in and have it tuned and either of the following occurs:

1) You sell the car and pull the spare ECU to try and sell it.
2) You take the car into service and KIA flashes it via OBDII.

Not even the original tuner can reflash it and you in effect have a very expensive paper weight.

 

[Socalstinga]

I am just going to say this.... In the past, certain tuners drilled out/epoxied the BDM port pins without notifying their customers. They even did this on ECUs that customer's sent in. Now they have a tiny disclaimer at the bottom that mentions something along these lines. Just so everyone is aware, there is a good chance that if you get the spare ECU tune from them or others, or you ship yours in and have it tuned and either of the following occurs:

1) You sell the car and pull the spare ECU to try and sell it.
2) You take the car into service and KIA flashes it via OBDII.

Not even the original tuner can reflash it and you in effect have a very expensive paper weight.

Wouldn't you just put the OEM ECU in before taking it to KIA and then re-install the tuned ECU after?

 

[terrelltechsup]

Wouldn't you just put the OEM ECU in before taking it to KIA and then re-install the tuned ECU after?

Yep, unless your significant other takes it in without telling you first...

 

[KLR STINGER]

The f*****s that epoxy the BDM pin's need a kick in the dick.

 

[Socalstinga]

@terrelltechsup AHH Hell Nah! lol....my wife won't even drive my car even when I offer her to drive it. I guess i'm lucky...​

 

[WillieP82]

The f*****s that epoxy the BDM pin's need a kick in the dick.

Lap3 does that but do you know why? They didn't do that and other tuners would get their tune and pull the data from the ECU and try to reverse engineer it. They do this to protect their intellectual property so you can't really blame them. They do tell you up front they do it so you know.

 

[Tonkabob]

I have and like ECU tunes but would be very reluctant to buy an epoxied ECU tune.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Any flash tuner can just datalog the ECU and get out the metrics they need to reasonably replicate the tuning. No reason to make it easier than needed for people to copy but at some point you're making your customers jump through hoops to provide almost no additional protection. Spare ECU sounds like an expensive waste of time but I guess if there are no OBDII tools to flash what are you going to do. It's only money.

 

[Tonkabob]

Any flash tuner can just datalog the ECU and get out the metrics they need to reasonably replicate the tuning. No reason to make it easier than needed for people to copy but at some point you're making your customers jump through hoops to provide almost no additional protection. Spare ECU sounds like an expensive waste of time but I guess if there are no OBDII tools to flash what are you going to do. It's only money.

This totally misses the point on the Stinger. The metrics are the easy part that any tuner could come up with on their own. The valuable part is where in the ecu all these settings live. This ecu isnt fully mapped yet.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

This totally misses the point on the Stinger. The metrics are the easy part that any tuner could come up with on their own. The valuable part is where in the ecu all these settings live. This ecu isnt fully mapped yet.

I have heard it is fully mapped along with the TCU. Both BTR and Lap3 will have them available once they figure out what ever encryption crap they are trying to do.

 

[Terry@BMS]

This totally misses the point on the Stinger. The metrics are the easy part that any tuner could come up with on their own. The valuable part is where in the ecu all these settings live. This ecu isnt fully mapped yet.

I do flash mapping regularly. Working on our EcoBoost JB4 back end maps as I type this. Once you have the DAMOS (table locations and a short general description) it's fairly basic to figure out the details. Not quite the rocket science many flash tuners pretend it to be. Without a DAMOS would be another story all together but no one does that.

 

[Angel]

I have heard it is fully mapped along with the TCU. Both BTR and Lap3 will have them available once they figure out what ever encryption crap they are trying to do.

I am not worried about any of that lol I live right down the highway from them!!!! Finally I Will able to get ecu tune locally and sell my JB4.

 

[brancky3]

I am not worried about any of that lol I live right down the highway from them!!!! Finally I Will able to get ecu tune locally and sell my JB4.

Make sure you try to get before / after track slips!

 

[Angel]

Make sure you try to get before / after track slips!

Are you sure you don’t want before and after dragy results? LOL you don’t have to answer that, I am just giving you a hard time. Just for you I will have JB4 Map 2/3 track slips. Another thing I will do just for you to put the icing on the cake is, I will have before/after track slips with the BBR ecu tune. I will put an end to the fuckery comparisons of piggyback vs ecu tune. Just for you sir, I will provide you the actual data/results. No fan boy bias, no fuckery , no bs and no dragy.... track results!! I hope this shows how much I love you!!! LOL JK

 

[Tonkabob]

Are you sure you don’t want before and after dragy results? LOL you don’t have to answer that, I am just giving you a hard time. Just for you I will have JB4 Map 2/3 track slips. Another thing I will do just for you to put the icing on the cake is, I will have before/after track slips with the BBR ecu tune. I will put an end to the fuckery comparisons of piggyback vs ecu tune. Just for you sir, I will provide you the actual data/results. No fan boy bias, no fuckery , no bs and no dragy.... track results!! I hope this shows how much I love you!!! LOL JK

Not all ECU tunes are equal so we still have that to argue about!
We need a big national or multi state drag event. Rent the entire track for a day and just have a big shoot out.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Not all ECU tunes are equal so we still have that to argue about!
We need a big national or multi state drag event. Rent the entire track for a day and just have a big shoot out.

Its happening in August in St. louis. You didnt see the FB posts? They are renting the drag strip for the whole day.