Baseline dyno before JB4

It's amazing the common ground that can be found once we dial back the cynicism and seek to understand.

@Arnie War do you want to chime in about the gas mixture you're using? I know you're not a JB4 user but the questions are less about that and more about gas quality and usage of Boostane.
 
It seems as though some folks don't understand the purpose of the dyno, which leads to unnecessary arguments about gains, or lack thereof.

Isn't the purpose of a dyno to give the car owner an accurate and irrefutable measure of their e-peen, for the purpose of waving it in people's faces and starting arguments on online forums?
 
Isn't the purpose of a dyno to give the car owner an accurate and irrefutable measure of their e-peen, for the purpose of waving it in people's faces and starting arguments on online forums?

If only the owner had been the one to start the argument today, you'd be spot on. You know it's going down the rabbit hole when one vendor jumps in to provide cover for the other when they offer competing products.
 
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It's nice to see them not sniping at each other, yes. :)

And they do actually have a point. In general, comparisons across dyno brands are worthless, and even comparisons across different installations and operators of dynos of the same brand are difficult to reconcile at best.

I've seen dyno operators produce wildly different readings from the same car in subsequent runs on the same dyno just changing operating settings. Changing tyre pressures can impact readings on a rolling-road style dyno, changing how hard the car is tied down can impact readings, changing where the fan is located and pointed can result in variation (and hell, even with all those things the same, just different configurations of the same base car can impact ultimate readings - use a different gear and see what it does to torque values for instance).

Where dynos really add value is where you're testing before and after a mod for deltas in power and torque outputs, or where you're tuning a vehicle and want a repeatable set of controllable onditions to test with (full throttle, part throttle, trailing throttle, different load conditions, etc).

And none of this is valuable without data on what was going on at the time - altitiude, IAT's, exhaust readings, throttle position, gear, boost levels, etc.

In the end, the absolute peak power and torque values produced by dynos are largely useless. This is why drag times are considered so valuable (and even then, variations there need to be taken into account as well), in particular trap speeds as an indication of power levels (as they largely remove the variable of grip). Other than absolute values, or deltas, the other thing that dynos can show is the "area under the curve" for torque, or more specifically the shape of the area under the curve - that really shows how your power is delivered.
 
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It's amazing the common ground that can be found once we dial back the cynicism and seek to understand.

@Arnie War do you want to chime in about the gas mixture you're using? I know you're not a JB4 user but the questions are less about that and more about gas quality and usage of Boostane.
I run off of Chevron 94 pump with 500 mils of Boostane to added to make sure I get a solid 94 octane as our gas is not so good for Race mode which is were I run it most of the time :)
 
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Which map?

I thought elevation doesn't affect turbo cars as much as NA cars.

Dealing with 4000ft elevation here... Not figuring in density altitude, I'm roughly a half second slower than sea level. Not as much difference as naturally aspirated, but it's definitely there...
 
Strapped on a dynodynamic today for a few baseline runs before installing my JB4/denso plugs.

This dyno dynamics was tested vs a dynojet the same day before by a bmw 135i guy, and reads about 10% lower.

I made 301whp. I supposed that's pretty good considering it's basically stock and AWD.

I'm not super into the numbers but more the results of the JB4 when I retest again in a couple weeks.
I bet you are having octane issues. I don’t trust any of Canadian fuel in bc. I run 20% E85 and car feels much stronger and lots look much better. I can hear some very slight ping with shell 91.
 
I bet you are having octane issues. I don’t trust any of Canadian fuel in bc. I run 20% E85 and car feels much stronger and lots look much better. I can hear some very slight ping with shell 91.
I haven’t noticed any pinging as of yet , as I use Chevron 94 plus with either Lucas or Boostane to make sure I have a solid 94 octane levels I don’t trust our gas too much lol
 
I haven’t noticed any pinging as of yet , as I use Chevron 94 plus with either Lucas or Boostane to make sure I have a solid 94 octane levels I don’t trust our gas too much lol
When I got my stinger and got the jb4 installed I filled up with chevron 94 and had pinging even on map 1. It may have just been a bad tank but I found the shell 91 to be better then chevron 94. The 91 octane that has around e10 was best on my car. I’m in bc so my gas may be different. I wish I could get husky 94 down here still. I’m just lucky I have a gas station that gets E85 near me.
 
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Maybe I'll try some husky 94. I just liked the shell 91 gas mileage.

I currently have a tank of Husky 94 but haven't gotten around to logging. When I do, I will report back. It has about 2 residual gallons of Shell 91 with it. One thing to keep in mind is Husky 94 doesn't seem to be Top Tier, so depending how you feel about that, you should have that fuel induction service done per the Kia maintenance intervals.
 
I bet you are having octane issues. I don’t trust any of Canadian fuel in bc. I run 20% E85 and car feels much stronger and lots look much better. I can hear some very slight ping with shell 91.

You can't hear knock with your naked ear in the cabin lmao. Please stop. This is why we have knock sensors, sensors that can have issues picking it up if not working properly.
 
You can't hear knock with your naked ear in the cabin lmao. Please stop. This is why we have knock sensors, sensors that can have issues picking it up if not working properly.
Sorry but you are totally wrong about that I’ve heard pinging in lots of cars with knock sensors. The computer can sometimes not make corrections fast enough or enough changes to stop pinging. So please stop. I’ve been on the dyno with my stinger trying map 3 and they heard some slight pinging and they stopped that run. I’ve heard pinging in a new supercharged Cadillac that was bad enough it threw a knock code.
 
Sorry but you are totally wrong about that I’ve heard pinging in lots of cars with knock sensors. The computer can sometimes not make corrections fast enough or enough changes to stop pinging. So please stop. I’ve been on the dyno with my stinger trying map 3 and they heard some slight pinging and they stopped that run. I’ve heard pinging in a new supercharged Cadillac that was bad enough it threw a knock code.

You're not hearing knock my friend. Sorry for the reality check. Wether it's a mixture of you playing with your own mind, direct injection, or God knows what else, the fact remains if you hear knock in the cabin, you're looking for a new engine, and a ride home once the tow truck picks you up. Suggesting you can hear a faint sound at wot over the engine while driving.... Lmao.
 
You're not hearing knock my friend. Sorry for the reality check. Wether it's a mixture of you playing with your own mind, direct injection, or God knows what else, the fact remains if you hear knock in the cabin, you're looking for a new engine, and a ride home once the tow truck picks you up. Suggesting you can hear a faint sound at wot over the engine while driving.... Lmao.
There’s a big difference pinging and detonation. Detonation will kill a motor almost instantly. Minor pinging can go on for years with no major issues besides pitting on the pistons or fouled plugs. You guys can think what ever you want I’ve owned over 20 high performance modified cars and know exactly what it sounds like.
 
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There’s a big difference pinging and detonation. Detonation will kill a motor almost instantly. Minor pinging can go on for years with no major issues besides pitting on the pistons or fouled plugs. You guys can think what ever you want I’ve owned over 20 high performance modified cars and know exactly what it sounds like.

Firstly, a knock code is the vehicle telling you that it has had to pull too much timing to avoid knock, referred to as knock retard, which is a measurement of the degrees of timing pulled by the ECU as a result of possible detonation. It is literally the exact opposite of what you think it is, and as a result, there is no audible evidence of what has been avoided.

Secondly, what you're referring to as pinging, most people directly associate with knock. They also associate the 2, and the "hearing of it" on older vehicles that don't have advanced PCM controlled timing like anything from 2008 and up will have.

What you might be hearing is hot spots in the inlet chamber, which is NOT knock, and while they can be created by the same conditions, they aren't directly related in ratio.

At any rate, you can pretend to hear whatever you want, but the fact remains that the timing is pulled in our vehicles much faster than your human ear could pick up on pre detonation, making it impossible to hear it. Use data logging, it'll show you if or when the timing is pulled. I'm on map 2 with denso's and on husky 94 i have no timing pulled, I'll test shell 91 later this week when i gas up again.
 
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I’m not going to argue about it let’s just agree to disagree. I’ve talked to a couple other stinger owners that heard very slight ping that had to change fuel so it’s not just me. I would get it right when turbos spoiling and could even feel car loose a bit of power. Again let’s agree to disagree.
 
Either way the best way to monitor knock IMHO is looking at variances between timing advance in all 6 cylinders in JB4 logs under full load.
 
There is a going theory that Canadian 91 octane is inferior to USA 91 octane. It seems blasphemous to me, but it has the potential to be true.
Here on the west coast of BC a lot of our gas is refined in Washington. So I too find it hard to believe there's a difference in USA vs CDN pump gas. But hey what do I know.:whistle:
 
Wait, Canadian's arguing and I only saw a few "sorry's"?! What's going on over there?! :D

Had to comment, I'll shut up and read now.
 
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