Another Survey... (Price, color, features) USA

[Bamm1]

Disappointing to think that you'd need AWD to get the advanced safety features...unless the two packages are available separately. I know with some current models, especially Genesis, you need to take all of the "lower" packages to get all of them.

If you want ventilated seats or HUD or hands free trunk opening or memory seats or power adjustable steering wheel, etc. you have to get every option EXCEPT AWD and a heating steering wheel.

 

[eljay]

I may be misunderstanding the info about options and packages on the survey, but it appears that all the safety features will be available on the RWD, and that AWD with heated steering wheel is an additional package separate from the safety features.

 

[srtcrazy05]

the gt is priced higher than a standard g80. i know itll be a better performer but people will be able to get a more luxurious larger car with (correct me if im wrong) more standard safety equipment for less than a stinger gt.

 

[davewg]

Except I think it's two different markets. The Stinger might be more analogous to the G80 Sport which is a no options, fully equipped vehicle. At ~$55k

 

[srtcrazy05]

Except I think it's two different markets. The Stinger might be more analogous to the G80 Sport which is a no options, fully equipped vehicle. At ~$55k

yeah the g80 sport isnt quite right for comparison. unless you consider the stinger gt fully equipped seems to be coming in at around $51k-$52k then it would be a bargain compared to the g80 sport even though its bigger and a lil more luxurious.

but a lot of buyers may either opt for a non-gt stinger and add some options or a standard g80 when they see the $43k starting price for a stinger gt

 

[davewg]

yeah the g80 sport isnt quite right for comparison. unless you consider the stinger gt fully equipped seems to be coming in at around $51k-$52k then it would be a bargain compared to the g80 sport even though its bigger and a lil more luxurious.

but a lot of buyers may either opt for a non-gt stinger and add some options or a standard g80 when they see the $43k starting price for a stinger gt

Entirely true. Pricing will be everything on this.

 

[Bamm1]

yeah the g80 sport isnt quite right for comparison. unless you consider the stinger gt fully equipped seems to be coming in at around $51k-$52k then it would be a bargain compared to the g80 sport even though its bigger and a lil more luxurious.

but a lot of buyers may either opt for a non-gt stinger and add some options or a standard g80 when they see the $43k starting price for a stinger gt

I agree. You are getting the following standard with your G80 for $41,750:
Automatic Emergency Braking w/ Pedestrian Detection
Driver Attention Alert
Blind Spot Detection
Rear Cross-traffic Alert
Lane Keep Assist
Lane Departure Warning
Smart Cruise Control w/ Stop/Start
High Beam Assist
Haptic Steering Wheel
Pre-Active Seatbelt
Power Trunk
3 years free maintenance
3 years valet service
3 years free map updates
3 years connected services

The folks on this forum (myself included) tend to skew in the performance direction. I have (and will likely continue to) pay extra for increased performance. But I don't think we are a large enough percentage of the target audience to make the Stinger GT a sales success. Getting the above with more space, improved fuel economy (vs. the 3.3TT) and a non-bargain brand badge might be enough to make buyers think twice about going Stinger.

Lastly, where in the h*ll is the G70 going to fit into all this? Loaded it has to come in higher than the Stinger but it has to be less than the G80 Sport. So its in that 4K window somewhere? That is a lot of cars all next to each other in pricing, from the same parent company.

 

[Merkur720]

Got a follow up survey today from the one mentioned above. Asked which model I would be most likely to purchase. The loaded one, for sure!!! Lol. Attached are some screen shots.

 

[davebo]

Wow thanks for those. Am I reading this right? If I just want a RWD Stinger GT without Nav and all the nanny driving devices I could be looking at an msrp of $38,500? That's like, way better than I was expecting and turns this car from a "I hope this is the right car for me" to a complete no-brainer day one purchase.

 

[STNGRNV]

Has me wondering what prices they are considering for the 2.0.

 

[STINGER]

Wow thanks for those. Am I reading this right? If I just want a RWD Stinger GT without Nav and all the nanny driving devices I could be looking at an msrp of $38,500? That's like, way better than I was expecting and turns this car from a "I hope this is the right car for me" to a complete no-brainer day one purchase.

I hope KIA sticks to those prices, they will sell a lot for of the GT1's if it goes for that price.

 

[eljay]

This survey brings up a question that maybe you guys who know more about cars than I do can answer. Why is head up display usually only included at the the top trim levels of models, and often not even available as an option below that top level? Hasn't it been around long enough that it should have filtered down by now?

I ask because I've driven a Pontiac with HUD for twenty years (which admittedly displays less info than current examples), and I didn't even buy the top trim level at the time. I'm kind of married to the idea of having it on my next car. A couple of years ago, I abandoned a car search because all the cars I found with HUD were either prohibitively expensive, or they were models that I had no interest in driving. When I mentioned the feature to salespeople, some had no idea what I was talking about, while others acted like I was asking for a gold-plated flux capacitor.

Now Kia seems to be only offering it on the top trim level--which admittedly I probably will spring for if I go for the Stinger, since I like some of the other features. But shouldn't it be a more common option?

 

[davebo]

Yeah, it's not like it's a very expensive feature to add or anything, it's just still one of those gimmicky futuristic (despite how old it is) luxuries that you want to save for the top trim as incentive for people to get a fully loaded model. Highly noticeable but very inexpensive features like that help increase profit margins. As opposed to the 15 speaker sound system which requires more actual labor and more expensive parts, then you figure a lot of the people buying the top trims are probably driving around listening to talk radio anyway not even noticing the extra speakers and their quality, but they can certainly notice the heads up display. And because you have to tie into the car's computer and embed it in the dashboard, I imagine it's difficult to make third-party HUDs, which means the car makers have maintained a monopoly on them.

 

[jburns]

This survey brings up a question that maybe you guys who know more about cars than I do can answer. Why is head up display usually only included at the the top trim levels of models, and often not even available as an option below that top level? Hasn't it been around long enough that it should have filtered down by now?

I like a head up display as well but that isn't what jumped out at me here. Just like the head up display you only see smart cruise control on the top trim. I can get used to driving without a head up display rather quickly I would imagine but I will not buy another car that does not have smart cruise control.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Fully loaded one is a bit too expensive IMO. "GT2" price is closer to what should be the fully loaded price; it should top out at $45-46K max as this is their true introduction to the sport sedan/luxury market. They're going to have to really undercut the market as they are in the stage where they must prove themselves. If a fully loaded Stinger costs $50K+ you might as well find an established luxury brand that at the very least you won't have to worry about massive depreciation on your vehicle compared to the hit the Stinger will more than likely take.

 

[Bamm1]

Fully loaded one is a bit too expensive IMO. "GT2" price is closer to what should be the fully loaded price; it should top out at $45-46K max as this is their true introduction to the sport sedan/luxury market. They're going to have to really undercut the market as they are in the stage where they must prove themselves. If a fully loaded Stinger costs $50K+ you might as well find an established luxury brand that at the very least you won't have to worry about massive depreciation on your vehicle compared to the hit the Stinger will more than likely take.

I completely agree with everything you stated!

The "elephant in the room", for me at least, is depreciation. The Kia Cadenza looses 34.3% of its value over the first year. It is possible to get in a total loss accident with the full retail value payout from the insurance company being less than you might owe on your auto loan.

I need to make up all the ground I can on the starting price. Which is why mid $40's makes more sense if I am setting prices at Kia.

 

[davewg]

Granted it has less power, but Kia needs to look hard at the pricing structure on the Buick Regal Sportback, and the just announced V6 GS trim which will start very well equipped (it appears) at just under $40k.

 

[davebo]

Granted it has less power, but Kia needs to look hard at the pricing structure on the Buick Regal Sportback, and the just announced V6 GS trim which will start very well equipped (it appears) at just under $40k.

Yeah I was seriously looking at that yesterday. It's down on power but up on fuel economy. Frankly I'd most prefer something halfway between the two of them. But the things that kind of spoil it for me is that I don't actually want AWD if I can get RWD, and the Buick's looks just... aren't the Stinger's. Definitely scratches that liftback itch though, so more of those on the market is fine by me.

 

[STNGRNV]

Yeah I was seriously looking at that yesterday. It's down on power but up on fuel economy. Frankly I'd most prefer something halfway between the two of them. But the things that kind of spoil it for me is that I don't actually want AWD if I can get RWD, and the Buick's looks just... aren't the Stinger's. Definitely scratches that liftback itch though, so more of those on the market is fine by me.

I'm with you. I want a Stinger (looks better IMO), but if Kia gets cute with the pricing the Regal might be a viable compromise.

 

[Jumpy]

I too am interested in the Regal GS. The only thing I don't like is the lack of paddle shifters. I mean come on, it has racing seats! How do you not put paddle shifters in a car with racing seats?? lol