700 wheel hp. Is that a new record?

[Reldas]

i will see what price they put the kit at and i might do it next year.

 

[Kamauxx]

None of those cars have anywhere near 700 HP to the wheels. You have to pay to play with the big boys.

True, but I'm thinking more from a logical (boring) pov. Sure, having a car with over 800 hp will be fun...when it's working. It will also need constant attention to keep it running smoothly. Though I'm sure it wasn't considered by the owner, the resale value of that Stinger has plummeted. The car doesn't have the necessary mechanics to put the power to the ground. The biggest thing for me is deciding how much extra horsepower is worth losing the powertrain warranty.

I'd rather have a 3700lb AWD car with 600 hp AND a factory warranty than a 4000lb RWD car with 800 hp and NO warranty. I won't have as much fun when driving. I won't have as many headaches to keep it driving. I won't have as much heartache when it breaks.

 

[STINGER]

Would be nice to see the dyno overlaid with when the same car was FBO.

Not sure why they are not increasing the redline, my understanding is they have accesses to the ECU cause the car is just begging for more rpm. Also the AEM filter could be bottleneck.

 

[Travis Wills]

I'd rather have a 3700lb AWD car with 600 hp AND a factory warranty

Exactly what car are you talking about? There is no unmodified internal combustion sedan for $70,000 that meets those specifications. The electric cars are the only ones that come anywhere near those specifications and those certainly don’t weigh 3,700 pounds or cost only $70,000.

 

[Helo58]

Exactly what car are you talking about? There is no unmodified internal combustion sedan for $70,000 that meets those specifications. The electric cars are the only ones that come anywhere near those specifications and those certainly don’t weigh 3,700 pounds or cost only $70,000.

I think if there was one, it would be very tempting. This comes pretty close... 2020 Chevy Camaro ZL1 | Coupe & Convertible Sports Car

 

[Kamauxx]

Exactly what car are you talking about? There is no unmodified internal combustion sedan for $70,000 that meets those specifications. The electric cars are the only ones that come anywhere near those specifications and those certainly don’t weigh 3,700 pounds or cost only $70,000.

I never said unmodified. Cars can be modified and easily returned to stock.

I was talking about something like a tuned M3. Bootmod3 tune costs under $600 and can be returned to stock with a simple flash from your laptop. Their BMW tunes generally range between 21-25% over stock hp. Assuming things stay consistent that would put the M3 Competition at over 620 hp. Current M3 is about 3500 lbs. I'm guessing the new ones will be quite a bit heavier. MSRP is around $72k.

What I'm saying is, FOR ME I'd rather spend $70k for an AWD 620+ hp car with the ability to retain the factory warranty that'll lose 50% of it's value in 4 years than spend $70k for a RWD 800 hp car with no warranty that will be lose 70% of it's value in 2 years.

 

[Travis Wills]

I never said unmodified. Cars can be modified and easily returned to stock.

I was talking about something like a tuned M3. Bootmod3 tune costs under $600 and can be returned to stock with a simple flash from your laptop. Their BMW tunes generally range between 21-25% over stock hp. Assuming things stay consistent that would put the M3 Competition at over 620 hp. Current M3 is about 3500 lbs. I'm guessing the new ones will be quite a bit heavier. MSRP is around $72k.

What I'm saying is, FOR ME I'd rather spend $70k for an AWD 620+ hp car with the ability to retain the factory warranty that'll lose 50% of it's value in 4 years than spend $70k for a RWD 800 hp car with no warranty that will be lose 70% of it's value in 2 years.

An M3 doesn’t weigh 3700 pounds. An M3 Competition won’t get 620+ HP at the wheels with a tune only. A new M3 will cost a lot more than $70k. BMW has been cracking down on modified cars and voiding warranties.

“the latest M3 is a good deal portlier than its forebear. At 3,840 pounds (add 50 pounds to the automatic-only Competition trim), the German brand's small sports sedan weighs 265 pounds more than the prior model according to BMW's numbers, and that's with the standard carbon-fiber roof panel in place. Opt for the no-cost sunroof and the 2021 M3 surely tips the scales even further.”

2021 BMW M3 First Look: Big Grille, Big Power, and a Stick (Shift)

The good news is the 2021 BMW M3 sedan comes standard with a six-speed manual gearbox. The bad news is the new M3's face.

www.motortrend.com

The M3 probably won’t lose 50% of its value but it will lose 20% of its value. That car will be well over $90,000 with options if you buy it near the beginning of the production cycle.

I fail to see point in your argument. The car you described doesn’t exist.

 

[turboAWD]

You can buy a "new" Mustang GT with supercharger with 700+ hp for $45-50k from a couple of dealers in Ohio. Around 3500-3800 lbs, according to google. I'd have WAY more faith in one of those holding up than this car.

 

[Hawk853]

I think lots of people miss the point of why enthusiasts choose the builds they do. It’s not for resale, or because it’s reliable, or because it’s sensible; it doesn’t matter to them that another platform might be cheaper to work on or have a higher power ceiling. Issues like warranties are no longer a concern of theirs. Lots of them are established and have the money to go after it.

They have a desire and a vision, and see it through. Then all the people in the world who’ve never actually built anything can criticize and poke holes (and talk about how much easier and cost effective LS swaps are ). The guys who are doing builds on our cars now are the innovators people will copy later. Maybe they get over it and sell it, probably at a great loss and then they move on to the next thing. I doubt they have delusions they’re going to make money on the endeavor or get compensated for all their labor.

I’m of course not referring to a build as someone who slaps on a number of reversible bolt-ons. Nothing wrong with that either. It’s what I’m comfortable right now with my new problem-free car.

With that all said, all these high power turbo kits are going to start eating the transmissions before long. There’s a very talented trans builder IPT in Patterson, NJ that might be willing to put something together for a valve body or full trans upgrade. Worth a conversation if you’re going this deep. Level 10 is another.

My buddy’s father taught us to build a race car from the rear forward, wise but not as immediately gratifying.

 

[turboAWD]

I agree - I have plenty of respect for these people, and putting everything into it. I don't have the luxury of doing that..

 

[General_Vodka]

That's a lot of work that they did but man does it look expensive. I am pretty sure I can get the same results with a good meth, e85, and nitrous combo. Properly tuned that is.

 

[Kamauxx]

An M3 doesn’t weigh 3700 pounds.

Current M3 is about 3500 lbs. I'm guessing the new ones will be quite a bit heavier.

As I previously said, I based that guess off the weight of the current M3. At 3800lbs my preference would remain the same.

An M3 Competition won’t get 620+ HP at the wheels with a tune only

Their BMW tunes generally range between 21-25% over stock hp. Assuming things stay consistent that would put the M3 Competition at over 620 hp.

I never said a thing about WHP. I said "21-25% over stock hp", which is 510. 510 + 22% = 622 hp. 622 hp is "over 620 hp," which is what I actually said.

A new M3 will cost a lot more than $70k

PRICE

$70,895-$73,795

According to the article YOU JUST POSTED, it won't. The Competition model is slated to start at $73795. But I suppose this all hinges on your definition of "a lot more than $70k." I don't consider either $895 or $3795 to be "a lot more," especially when we're talking about MSRP.

That car will be well over $90,000 with options if you buy it near the beginning of the production cycle.

Or it'll be under $70k without options if you wait half a year. I guess that all depends on how much of a contrarian you want to be. Regardless of your assumptions, according to BMW, Motortrend (your previously provided source), and BMW themselves, the car will have a starting MSRP of $70,895.

I fail to see point in your argument.

That's because you think this is an argument. I'm not arguing with you. I'm TELLING you what I would prefer. You seem to be of the erroneous impression that my preference is debatable. You trying your hardest to argue about this is no different than if you tried to convince me my favorite flavor of ice cream is something other than what it is. I would rather have Blue Bell's Pralines and Cream over their Vanilla Bean. Tell me why my preference is wrong.

 

[Kamauxx]

You can buy a "new" Mustang GT with supercharger with 700+ hp for $45-50k from a couple of dealers in Ohio. Around 3500-3800 lbs, according to google. I'd have WAY more faith in one of those holding up than this car.

My point exactly. There are high horsepower cars out there that I can get a thrill from that won't break the bank when they break. I'd rather have one of those.

I think lots of people miss the point of why enthusiasts choose the builds they do. It’s not for resale, or because it’s reliable, or because it’s sensible; it doesn’t matter to them that another platform might be cheaper to work on or have a higher power ceiling. Issues like warranties are no longer a concern of theirs. Lots of them are established and have the money to go after it.

I get all of that. I'm not saying the builder did anything wrong. It's his money to do as he pleases. What I'm saying is there's no way I'd ever spend that kind of (reported) money on a highly modified out of warranty Stinger. $70k experimental Stinger is just too rich for me. But, that's just me. Different strokes for different folks and all that...

 

[STINGER]

Once you start modding the internals of the motor on any platform the financial justifications should be thrown out the window and the only thing that should matter is the want and how much you're willing to pay for it.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

Just FYI to you all. This is a fully fabricated custom built Stinger, another words it’s priceless. They made it because they could, and to advance our platform even further. They aren’t making them to sell(yet) so money isn’t a consideration in this build.

Also, this is 708whp on a dyno dynamics dyno(Heartbreaker dyno) which runs even lower than a conservative Mustang dyno. These typically run 10-12% lower than dynojets so this is about 800whp(dynojet) or almost 900hp. That blows Lap3’s big turbo kit record of 684whp(dynojet) our of the water. Lastly, it’s very early in their tuning of this build and said there’s still more potential for even more power.

1000hp Stingers here we come!

 

[turboAWD]

Just saw this - 3000+ whp in a Viper!

Twin-Turbo Dodge Viper Making 3100 HP Sounds Predictably Insane

It uses the V-10 engine from the newest Viper, and runs on an absurd 39 pounds of boost.

www.roadandtrack.com

 

[Kamauxx]

Just saw this - 3000+ whp in a Viper!

Twin-Turbo Dodge Viper Making 3100 HP Sounds Predictably Insane

It uses the V-10 engine from the newest Viper, and runs on an absurd 39 pounds of boost.

www.roadandtrack.com

7 seconds @ 199 mph. That's a neck snapper! Sheesh.

 

[Rob 02]

Not for nothing but $70,000 is a lot of money for a car making 504 crank HP that is what the new M3 makes and that is it’s base. 700 Hp is my goal for my stinger I feel it’s just enough to beat just about anything but still keep somewhat reliable. Even if this kit is $20,000 which I think you can get it done for cheaper it’s still worth it. For example I bought my 18 limited brand new for $45,000 Kia took off $7,500 rite off. So rite there that brings my car down to $37,500 plus my trade $4000 take that off. Then my car is the sunset yellow which was affected by the paint issue so they gave me $5,000. So really I’m getting the car for $28,500 brand new so adding the supposedly $20,000 to make the car 800 crank Hp 700 Whp makes since and still way under the $70 K for a base M3. But hey whether to tune or not or how far your build goes is up to you but I don’t think money is the issue.

 

[turboAWD]

Not for nothing but $70,000 is a lot of money for a car making 504 crank HP that is what the new M3 makes and that is it’s base. 700 Hp is my goal for my stinger I feel it’s just enough to beat just about anything but still keep somewhat reliable. Even if this kit is $20,000 which I think you can get it done for cheaper it’s still worth it. For example I bought my 18 limited brand new for $45,000 Kia took off $7,500 rite off. So rite there that brings my car down to $37,500 plus my trade $4000 take that off. Then my car is the sunset yellow which was affected by the paint issue so they gave me $5,000. So really I’m getting the car for $28,500 brand new so adding the supposedly $20,000 to make the car 800 crank Hp 700 Whp makes since and still way under the $70 K for a base M3. But hey whether to tune or not or how far your build goes is up to you but I don’t think money is the issue.

I guess it depends on your definition of "somewhat reliable". The one person on here who upgraded to aftermarket turbos (crewdawg, I think) burned up his transmission first day at the drag strip, IIRC.

 

[G-36558]

frs tho