3 Questions

[DonD]

1. When I drive my 2022 Stinger GT1, I try to immediately turn "Forward Safety Assist" off as I consider it the most intrusive and obnoxious of all the Kia's safety "Nannies". It has never been easy but recently has gotten more difficult. I used to press the car icon in Setup and that would allow me to turn forward assist off. Now it gives me the same icon and is not responsive. Any suggestions to improve the speed of it off, or if I had my way, permanently disable it? I called Kia Corporate this morning and they weren't at all helpful.

2. What is the equipment above the rear view mirror which when viewed from the outside shows 4 silvery dots arranged in a square?

3. I would think that this forum "Stinger Talk" would order the most recent post first, all by date of the last post but here we have recent posts and then some as long ago as 2019. I'd much prefer "Sort by earliest date". Thanks, Don

 

[JSolo]

1) try using voice search to find the section rather than going through a series of menus
"search settings for safety" or something like that.

 

[DonD]

1) try using voice search to find the section rather than going through a series of menus
"search settings for safety" or something like that.

Will have to read up on voice search. I'll readily admit that in some respects, I'm a neanderthal, hate smart phones and hate to play computer games in my car. Thanks for the info though. Don

 

[JSolo]

^^I hate all the nannies in this car and wish they were opt in, not opt out. Having to do this each time the car is started is most annoying. However, look at the society we live in. Someone else knows what's best. Interpret that as you will .

 

[pkarandi]

1. When I drive my 2022 Stinger GT1, I try to immediately turn "Forward Safety Assist" off as I consider it the most intrusive and obnoxious of all the Kia's safety "Nannies". It has never been easy but recently has gotten more difficult. I used to press the car icon in Setup and that would allow me to turn forward assist off. Now it gives me the same icon and is not responsive. Any suggestions to improve the speed of it off, or if I had my way, permanently disable it? I called Kia Corporate this morning and they weren't at all helpful.

2. What is the equipment above the rear view mirror which when viewed from the outside shows 4 silvery dots arranged in a square?

3. I would think that this forum "Stinger Talk" would order the most recent post first, all by date of the last post but here we have recent posts and then some as long ago as 2019. I'd much prefer "Sort by earliest date". Thanks, Don

For #3, I think what's confusing you is that the first dozen or so threads are "pinned." After those, they are ordered by last date/time of the last comment. (Look to the left of the "Replies" label and you'll see the little pushpin icon). I believe the moderators pin certain threads so they always show up first, like the Stinger owners manual link one.

 

[JSolo]

I just use this link to get all new threads anytime I come here.

New posts

stingerforum.org

 

[DonD]

For #3, I think what's confusing you is that the first dozen or so threads are "pinned." After those, they are ordered by last date/time of the last comment. (Look to the left of the "Replies" label and you'll see the little pushpin icon). I believe the moderators pin certain threads so they always show up first, like the Stinger owners manual link one.
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Thanks, Don

 

[stoopid]

^^I hate all the nannies in this car and wish they were opt in, not opt out. Having to do this each time the car is started is most annoying. However, look at the society we live in. Someone else knows what's best. Interpret that as you will .

The actual reason for opt-in by default is to ensure the things car manufacturers say they're implementing to achieve certain safety and efficiency standards are actually enabled, versus saying it "could" be enabled. It's a definitive requirement of most policies that you actually follow the policy, not just say you will. Being able to opt out at all is bonus IMO, I remember the first incantations of stop/start didn't have an override button and had to be programmed/tuned out of the car (or fool the car in some way into disabling it).

As buyers if we don't want these things we need to buy cars that don't have them. But more people want them than don't, and these things do actually make the average idiot driver a touch safer. I do appreciate the fact someone might not rear end me who, up to their own inept devices, would otherwise plow through me in the same situation. And I 100% despise most of these nannies (blind spot monitoring and cross traffic rear detection being the only two I find of actual use). As a member of society I understand some of the things I prefer may be sacrificed for some sort of greater good.

 

[DonD]

The actual reason for opt-in by default is to ensure the things car manufacturers say they're implementing to achieve certain safety and efficiency standards are actually enabled, versus saying it "could" be enabled. It's a definitive requirement of most policies that you actually follow the policy, not just say you will. Being able to opt out at all is bonus IMO, I remember the first incantations of stop/start didn't have an override button and had to be programmed/tuned out of the car (or fool the car in some way into disabling it).

As buyers if we don't want these things we need to buy cars that don't have them. But more people want them than don't, and these things do actually make the average idiot driver a touch safer. I do appreciate the fact someone might not rear end me who, up to their own inept devices, would otherwise plow through me in the same situation. And I 100% despise most of these nannies (blind spot monitoring and cross traffic rear detection being the only two I find of actual use). As a member of society I understand some of the things I prefer may be sacrificed for some sort of greater good.

All part of the overreaching government. This trash will eventually be in much less expensive cars. I noted that Cadillac is bragging about having 9 "nannies", heaven help those buyers.

I simply don't need or want them to drive safely and with all the chimes, bongs and rings, they by themselve are a distraction that could cause accidents. Don

 

[StingertimeNC]

I actually think the lane keep assist is pretty good too. I think tons of people could use that as people are always drifting. I use it only on highway drives and keep it off otherwise. Nice that there's a switch on the dash for that.

 

[stoopid]

All part of the overreaching government. This trash will eventually be in much less expensive cars. I noted that Cadillac is bragging about having 9 "nannies", heaven help those buyers.

I simply don't need or want them to drive safely and with all the chimes, bongs and rings, they by themselve are a distraction that could cause accidents. Don

The IIHS, which spearheads most safety related efforts and tech, are not a government agency. The safety ratings are private industry (car makers mostly, as well as insurers) driven.

The government imposes requirements related to fuel efficiency, smog/air pollution mitigation, and the most basic of safety features (think seatbelt and air bags -- we can agree these are good things, right????). They encourage safety features by keeping data that tracks accident and accidents types, etc. As well as some basic crash testing for data gathering/scientific purposes. Despite more vehicles on the roads (and more roads) and distracted drivers, overall driver safety has stayed relatively the same or even improved. The things being implemented work, so it's similar to railing against a life saving drug for saving lives. At some point it becomes the defacto medical treatment because science creates and fixes things not opinion or 'feelings'. Think of our driving climate as an overweight 55 year old who eats McDonalds 3 times a day between chain smoking 3 packs of Marlboro reds. The safety features is the medicine they take and hospital visits once a year to scour their arteries. It keeps them just ahead of death.

Cell phones are the single worse factor contributing to the need for two of the biggest nannies -- frontal collision and lane keep. If they just outright banned cell phone use in cars we'd see 90% of the need for those nannies evaporate. Then government would be overreaching telling people who can't pay attention to pay attention.

Mostly your gripe would be with the IIHS and trends in the wider automotive industry that have nothing to do with stealing liberty eagles. Mudflaps.

 

[JSolo]

@stoopid Sadly one can't option the car without the safety cr@p. I imagine it would have easily saved a few thousand dollars. Not to mention making the car that much more reliable as there's fewer things to keep track of and break over time.

I see a time in the very near future where even basic low end models will come with this.

I keep the blind spot monitoring on, but just the light. No alarms to steering wheel annoyance.

 

[DonD]

The IIHS, which spearheads most safety related efforts and tech, are not a government agency. The safety ratings are private industry (car makers mostly, as well as insurers) driven.

The government imposes requirements related to fuel efficiency, smog/air pollution mitigation, and the most basic of safety features (think seatbelt and air bags -- we can agree these are good things, right????). They encourage safety features by keeping data that tracks accidents and accidents types, etc. As well as some basic crash testing for data gathering/scientific purposes.

Mostly your gripe would be with the IIHS and trends in the wider automotive industry that have nothing to do with stealing liberty eagles. Mudflaps.

Don't doubt that you're right. But...Europe is starting monitoring car speed with GPS. Will we be far behind?

Assuming there was enough computer power dedicated to this, I don't see why a creep government like Biden's in the future couldn't give speeding tickets via GPS tracking. Driving Hell for reasonable drivers. And like the insurance Nazi device plugged into the OBD port pioneered by Progressive, it would have no knowledge of why you were speeding. Might be something quite legitimate like taking an ill family member to an ER etc. In Progressive's case, they don't know if you hammered the brakes because you're driving like a jerk or you're stopping to avoid hitting a deer etc. Don

 

[JSolo]

Years ago we had one of those dongle things in a '04 grand prix. I think it was with american family. After a few weeks, the car started behaving weird. Check engine light and others coming on for now reason. After removal, no more issues. I won't be getting one of those ever again. More accidents get caused with these things than without.

Chicago drivers driving in the suburbs will usually nail the brakes on a yellow. Why? Too many intersections in the city have cameras. Few and far between in the suburbs. Yellow means nail throttle, not brake!@# Especially on highways with 45-55 mph limits. That yellow can be a good 5 seconds or longer.

 

[stoopid]

Don't doubt that you're right. But...

Everything after but is bullshit.

 

[stoopid]

Lay off the Fox News Don. Welcome to the forum. I think.

 

[stoopid]

@stoopid Sadly one can't option the car without the safety cr@p. I imagine it would have easily saved a few thousand dollars. Not to mention making the car that much more reliable as there's fewer things to keep track of and break over time.

I see a time in the very near future where even basic low end models will come with this.

I keep the blind spot monitoring on, but just the light. No alarms to steering wheel annoyance.

Going back to my first post in this thread, we're outvoted. People want and ultimately need these things. Thank a combination of dumbing of society and lacking basic hand-eye coordination, as well as numerous in-cabin distractions (infotainment, smartphones).

I don't think we're all that far apart in age, but I feel like I'm discussing the evils of color TV with WW2 vets. This shit is moving forward with or without you. I'll leave you now to your whining, in peace, free of fact and reasoned objectivity.

 

[JSolo]

Lol!... Not quite at 50 here. Soon enough.

If I had my way, every car on the road would have 3 pedals and a cell jammer. Want to talk/text. Pull over else your phone no go.

Our neighbor has a 20something. Kid has a license but I've never seen him drive. Speaking to father (prob 5-10 years my elder), the kid has no interest in driving. Takes public transport to univ some 7-10 miles away. Driving is definitely a skill that requires constant honing. Not only in the physical sense but mental too. Lots of stimuli to be aware of.

My old G (courtesy of the new owner). No nannies, 6 spd, rwd. Simple. He did lower it, different wheels, intake, and tune. Still a classic after a decade IMO.

 

[DonD]

Everything after but is bullshit.

USAToday is reporting that monitoring speed remotely is starting in Germany. You really doubt that places like CA and an overreaching Federal government wouldn't like to get more income from fines.

You can shove your "Bullshit", you can disagree without being insulting. Don

 

[DonD]

For Stoopid, a note from Germany, not Fox.

After a long battle, the European Union has finally made a feeble form of "Intelligent Speed Assistance" (ISA) mandatory on all new models of cars sold in Europe as of 2022 and every new car by 2024.

ISA is the modern, vague name for what used to be called a speed governor, a device that limits the speed a car can go. It works with cameras and GPS to determine the speed limit and then can control the throttle. The European Transport Safety Council (ETSC) called it the biggest thing since the seat belt. Don