3" cat back exhaust.......?

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Apologies if this topic has been covered already... I could not find it....

It seems that no one makes a 3" dual cat back exhaust for the stinger..? Why?

Turbos want as little back pressure as possible... with a larger diameter exhaust pipe, the back pressure would be reduced. Yes, I realize it also needs to be short and as straight as possible, but I'm not building a dedicated drag car; this is a street car and need some form of an exhaust system...

-Is there a fitment issue in the floor tunnel for AWD models..?
-Is there a sound/tone/drone issue with 3"..?
-Or just as simple as no one has done it yet..?

I'm seriously considering having a local shop build me a custom 3" cat back and I'm trying to find out if there will be any pitfalls....
 
Drone/resonance issues aside, the bottleneck in the Stinger's exhaust seems to be a very small diameter within the combined manifold/turbo housing, upstream of the turbo. I assume this was done to get us that 1700 rpm spool, but it really chokes things up high and is probably why we don't see big turbo kits pushing 800-1000 hp.

This video talks about it starting around the 4 minute mark:
 
I figured that the bottleneck issue at the manifold was going to come up... and that is perfect logic and the physics tell us we will hit a wall at some point. The video does a great job explaining it and showing it.

I'm not trying to make 700+hp, nor do I even want to. If doing automotive modification/customization since 1995 has taught me anything, it has taught me that the more parts, the more changes, the more alterations, and the more power, = less, and less, and less reliability, streetablility, and comfort.... in respect to comparing the relatively care free ownership experience of a bone stock car vs the constant maintenance, tinkering, adjusting and fixing required for most highly modified ones. I've had this conversations with many people who have come to me saying "I want ALL this, and this, and this, and this, and 1000hp!, but I want to just look good, drive it and park it. I don't want to have to fiddle with it constantly". Well, enough money and time can buy you just about anything you want; but the average person can't shell out enough money to turn a Stinger into a Mclaren or Lamborghini. The reason those manufactures exist is for the people who can afford it, to buy that experience off the showroom floor and it's already designed for the experience they want.

For every car, engine and drivetrain combination, there's a sweet spot for the best of both worlds.

That's the kind of work I do; build projects with the right balance, or "complete package" if you will, with a combination of customization, performance AND a relaxed, quality ownership experience.

My HP goal for my K8 is 550'ish. That's below the HP "celling" of when the bottleneck in the manifold would start to become an issue for the volume of air needing to pass through it. This logic tells me that the bottleneck at the manifold will not be an issue for me.

To calculate the potential reduction in backpressure, I used the following calculation to determine volume for air:

To calculate the vessel volume, square the radius, multiply by the length, then finally multiply by Pi.
(Vessel Volume Calculator - Calculator Academy)

Vessel radius:
A 2.5" exhaust pipe = 63.5mm, which the radius of that = 31.75mm and = .0317m
A 3” Exhaust pipe = 76.20mm, which the radius of that = 38.10mm and = .0381m

Vessel Length:
I don't know the exact length of the K8 exhaust from cat to rear, so just for argument sake, I will use 5 feet, which is 60", that = 1.524m

2.5” exhaust @ 60in:
.0317m x 1.524m x Pi = a vessel volume of .00481

3” exhaust @ 60in:
.0381m x 1.524m x Pi = a vessel volume of .00694

So the math tells us what we already know; a larger diameter exhaust pipe can hold more volume of air, and therefor reduce backpressure at the transition from 2.5" to 3". Logic says that if the transition to a large volume chamber is is 4ft away from the engine, vs 8' away at the back of the car, the sum of the total backpressure at the source should be reduced.

With all that said..... what harmonic and/or resonance issues are known with a 3" exhaust...?
 
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I figured that the bottleneck issue at the manifold was going to come up... and that is perfect logic and the physics tell us we will hit a wall at some point. The video does a great job explaining it and showing it.

I'm not trying to make 700+hp, nor do I even want to. If doing automotive modification/customization since 1995 has taught me anything, it has taught me that the more parts, the more changes, the more alterations, and the more power, = less, and less, and less reliability, streetablility, and comfort.... in respect to comparing the relatively care free ownership experience of a bone stock car vs the constant maintenance, tinkering, adjusting and fixing required for most highly modified ones. I've had this conversations with many people who have come to me saying "I want ALL this, and this, and this, and this, and 1000hp!, but I want to just look good, drive it and park it. I don't want to have to fiddle with it constantly". Well, enough money and time can buy you just about anything you want; but the average person can't shell out enough money to turn a Stinger into a Mclaren or Lamborghini. The reason those manufactures exist is for the people who can afford it, to buy that experience off the showroom floor and it's already designed for the experience they want.

For every car, engine and drivetrain combination, there's a sweet spot for the best of both worlds.

That's the kind of work I do; build projects with the right balance, or "complete package" if you will, with a combination of customization, performance AND a relaxed, quality ownership experience.

My HP goal for my K8 is 550'ish. That's below the HP "celling" of when the bottleneck in the manifold would start to become an issue for the volume of air needing to pass through it. This logic tells me that the bottleneck at the manifold will not be an issue for me.

To calculate the potential reduction in backpressure, I used the following calculation to determine volume for air:

To calculate the vessel volume, square the radius, multiply by the length, then finally multiply by Pi.
(Vessel Volume Calculator - Calculator Academy)

Vessel radius:
A 2.5" exhaust pipe = 63.5mm, which the radius of that = 31.75mm and = .0317m
A 3” Exhaust pipe = 76.20mm, which the radius of that = 38.10mm and = .0381m

Vessel Length:
I don't know the exact length of the K8 exhaust from cat to rear, so just for argument sake, I will use 5 feet, which is 60", that = 1.524m

2.5” exhaust @ 60in:
.0317m x 1.524m x Pi = a vessel volume of .00481

3” exhaust @ 60in:
.0381m x 1.524m x Pi = a vessel volume of .00694

So the math tells us what we already know; a larger diameter exhaust pipe can hold more volume of air, and therefor reduce backpressure at the transition from 2.5" to 3". Logic says that if the transition to a large volume chamber is is 4ft away from the engine, vs 8' away at the back of the car, the sum of the total backpressure at the source should be reduced.

With all that said..... what harmonic and/or resonance issues are known with a 3" exhaust...?
my bmw e39 540 with 3" piping sounded *glorious* and not so loud as to wake up the whole neighborhood. But that was an NA V8 engine. I doubt we'd get the same sound quality with the turbos in the way. As long as you pipe it all the way out past the bumper opening (ie use some tips!) I think you'll be fine.
 
The BMS 450whp kit (intake, plugs, JB4 tune) should get you somewhere in the 475-500 (crank) range on E30 and map 4-5. For the extra 75ish horsepower, you're looking at a 7th injector: water/meth or charge pipe. That's generally understood to be about the limit of stock turbos.

Since you can do that for say 2 grand, I'd probably go that route first (and probably do other stuff like intercooler next), before I'd spend 1500-2500 on an exhaust that'll gain you much less and in my opinion be a big gamble on sound. Unless somebody releases something that sounds like the F-Type's V6...
 
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Thanks for your advice and input, I appreciate it!

@Snowwhite

What you describe is what I’m looking for, maybe favor being just a little quieter when highway cruising, but aggressive when I get into WOT. Good advice about tips that extend past the rear diffuser (w/ removing the factory tips). As for the turbos… I want to hear those.

@Thomby

I have the BMS kit on the car now and my upcoming dyno day will allow me to tune a custom map on it with some real data. With whatever exhaust I end up with, I will be deleting the secondaries. Personally, I believe that a full 3” system from the primary cats, all the way to the rear with flow through resonators/mufflers, should make a real improvement for the engine and turbos to breathe, and free up some HP. Some of the 2.5 kits already out there are claiming 25-30+ hp increases, so in theory, 3” should be even more than that. Only time and testing will tell.

Not sure I want to go as far as needing WMI or a 7th injector…. Maybe. Intercooler, Yes, I plan on doing that too.
 
KSR Performance makes one. I am the first to have it, did the R&D for him. Link below. I love the sound of it, and he can customize it to your liking, louder, softer, whatever you want. All built by hand and to order. I can't figure out how to post videos here, but check out my Instagram for some sound, @OHstinger.

 
@OHstinger Yes, thank you!

Kristian actually reached out to me on Insta over the weekend and we spoke late yesterday; I went with his system. He is building a system for me with some custom specs. That thing is a work of art. Cant WAIT!

I LOVE that his system is full 3" AND the secondary's are already part of the kit. It's exactly what I wanted :cool:

I will be doing Dyno pulls before and after the install so we can see the HP #'s, so for everyone else who is interested in this kit, check back on this thread in a month or so (build time) for the results. I will also post pics and vids of the install.

 
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@OHstinger Yes, thank you!

Kristian actually reached out to me on Insta over the weekend and we spoke late yesterday; I went with his system. He is building a system for me with some custom specs. That thing is a work of art. Cant WAIT!

I LOVE that his system is full 3" AND the secondary's are already part of the kit. It's exactly what I wanted :cool:

I will be doing Dyno pulls before and after the install so we can see the HP #'s, so for everyone else who is interested in this kit, check back on this thread in a month or so (build time) for the results. I will also post pics and vids of the install.
Hell yea! Kristian is a good dude and knows his stuff. Can't wait to see what he does for you. He asked me yesterday if I could bring my car back in to do some measuring soon, are you doing custom tips also? Your diffuser is different than mine, I have a 22, but should still work.
 
Hell yea! Kristian is a good dude and knows his stuff. Can't wait to see what he does for you. He asked me yesterday if I could bring my car back in to do some measuring soon, are you doing custom tips also? Your diffuser is different than mine, I have a 22, but should still work.

Yes, I asked for custom tip extensions to delete the factory ones integrated into the rear diffuser, so that Prob why he needs to measure.... Thanks for your help on that Man!

For your system and the sound in your Insta clips..... what configuration do you have (resonators/mufflers, or str8 pipe, etc)...?
 
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Yes, I asked for custom tip extensions to delete the factory ones integrated into the rear diffuser, so that Prob why he needs to measure.... Thanks for your help on that Man!

For your system and the sound in your Insta clips..... what configuration do you have (resonators/mufflers, or str8 pipe, etc)...?
I have the resonators and resonated mufflers. It is my daily and I often have my son and wife in the car, so straight pipe was just a bit loud for what I was looking for.
 
Thats what i ordered as well; i want it to be more than stock, but still somewhat subtle for daily and highway driving, then aggressive at WOT. I also wanted as much HP gain as i could get with the sound im looking for. Kristian suggested the tip extensions to reduce drone.
 
The tips really helped with the drone. There is still some on the highway, but not nearly as much as before I had the tips installed. I have gotten a number of compliments on the sound.
 
The tips really helped with the drone. There is still some on the highway, but not nearly as much as before I had the tips installed. I have gotten a number of compliments on the sound.
Nice! I’m Super Excited…
 
For those who are interested, you can reach out to ksrperformance.com for details and ordering. Use code "MONARCH" if you do ;).

The first 3" exhaust system for the KIA Stinger 3.3 TT is now available for order. The system uses full T304 stainless steel with V-band connections after the primary cat flange and has many options available to accommodate the sound you are looking for. Also for those wanting to remove their rear diffuser parts, bolt on tips can be added to this system. The muffler exits are dual 2.5" for each side.

The system is full 3" stainless after the expander to bolt to PRIMARY cats (2.5" to 3" transition)

Options-

Straight piped
Resonated
Resonated and straight through muffler
Resonated and chambered muffler
Chambered muffler
straight through muffler
w/ or w/o tips

All of our resonator and muffler options as well as material other than chambered will be stainless bros products (T304 stainless materials). Additional resonator chamber for rear end and valved version for the 2023's are also available and will just be a swap of the rear muffler.

This system is hand built by a craftsman. Build time is appx a month from purchase. Customers will be notified of the progress.

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From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
That’s my car and my exhaust in the pictures! Definitely one of, if not my most favorite mods I have had done.
 
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That guy is local to me. But still, have no idea why whould you need dual 3" exhaust with stock turbos. All you gonna have with that diameter and 304 steel grade will be horrible drone. At least, the craftsmanship looks very nice!
 
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That guy is local to me. But still, have no idea why whould you need dual 3" exhaust with stock turbos. All you gonna have with that diameter and 304 steel grade will be horrible drone. At least, the craftsmanship looks very nice!
Kristian knows his stuff. His Optima would probably out run most of us. Once we installed the tips on mine, the drone was reduced significantly. Sure there is still some, but it is not something that is anywhere near unbearable.
 
Just got notified that my exhaust system should ship out next week!

That guy is local to me. But still, have no idea why whould you need dual 3" exhaust with stock turbos. All you gonna have with that diameter and 304 steel grade will be horrible drone. At least, the craftsmanship looks very nice!
The tips will help reduce most of the drone, and any reduction in backpressure makes turbos happy.

Kristian does know his stuff, and we have discussed the HP gains. I will be doing before and after dyno pulls, so we'll see what difference it will make for real.
 
Just got notified that my exhaust system should ship out next week!


The tips will help reduce most of the drone, and any reduction in backpressure makes turbos happy.

Kristian does know his stuff, and we have discussed the HP gains. I will be doing before and after dyno pulls, so we'll see what difference it will make for real.
Please do! It will be very interesting to see real life results. Also, I believe the most, if not all of backpressure comes from primaries. And it looks like turbos need it for proper sealing. There're a lot of reports of leaking turbos, once primaries removed and replaced with free flowing sections.
 
From interior to exterior to high performance - everything you need for your Stinger awaits you...
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