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Why would they increase the displacement by.2l and only increase hp by 10? Not saying your wrong, just seems like it would be a missed opportunity.
2021 Genesis G80 foreshadows next gen Stinger
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CKeeler
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Leaving room for improvement could be the answer. Companies like Kia want to let their engines under perform so it can make that 10 year 100k mile mark.
I don’t ever give any car company credit enough to make major changes to go ratings on just a refresh
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First one already on here. Second one superior. I could almost believe the rumor of larger exhaust tips after reading this one.
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The other issue with the stinger is it's not targeted to be a race car. It's a four door sports sedan. Kia will likely focus on more practical driving characteristics , features, and handling before making a power bump.
All signs indicate that the G70 will be getting the 2.5T (at least for LHD markets), so would be surprised if the same doesn't follow for the Stinger.
Nothing yet about the 3.5TT replacing the 3.3TT.
HP isn't everything - 391 lb-ft of torque vs 376.
This on both counts.
The 3.5TT is capable of a good bit more power, but for something like the G80 would be reserved for the G80 Sport.
The MCE is one of times when manufacturers do powertrain upgrades.
Not even that, being a GT (the sports sedan thing is the G70).
But Kia definitely has had eyes on doing a more performance-oriented version of the Stinger.
Nothing yet about the 3.5TT replacing the 3.3TT.
HP isn't everything - 391 lb-ft of torque vs 376.
This on both counts.
The 3.5TT is capable of a good bit more power, but for something like the G80 would be reserved for the G80 Sport.
The MCE is one of times when manufacturers do powertrain upgrades.
Not even that, being a GT (the sports sedan thing is the G70).
But Kia definitely has had eyes on doing a more performance-oriented version of the Stinger.
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Peak Horsepower isn’t everything. However, total horsepower throughout the rev range IS EVERYTHING.
Crank torque, especially Peak Crank Torque is meaningless. Torque numbers are useless without knowing the gearing. However, horsepower numbers are independent of gearing. 1 horsepower is 1 horsepower regardless of the gearing utilized.
If someone tells you an engine has a max of 500 lb ft of torque but only a max of 300 horsepower would you choose that over an engine that has greater than 300 horsepower for a significant part of its usable rev range but only 400 lb ft of torque max?
Please note that there are circumstances where it is important to have a large amount of torque. However, you will also need to know what rpms that torque occurs at to be useful. Having horsepower figures can replace those two pieces of information.
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^ Yes, Im aware of that, but my point was specifically replying to the 3.5TT (as currently offered) having only 10 more HP than the 3.3TT.
Based on Korean reviews, the G80 equipped w/ the 3.5TT gets up and going better than the old G80 Sport w/ the 3.3TT (some of that is due to the reduction in weight), so for the typical buyer, they will notice an improvement in performance.
More HP should be forthcoming in a performance-oriented version of the 3.5TT, plus, wouldn't be surprised if Biermann underrated the HP figure as has been the norm for BMW.
Based on Korean reviews, the G80 equipped w/ the 3.5TT gets up and going better than the old G80 Sport w/ the 3.3TT (some of that is due to the reduction in weight), so for the typical buyer, they will notice an improvement in performance.
More HP should be forthcoming in a performance-oriented version of the 3.5TT, plus, wouldn't be surprised if Biermann underrated the HP figure as has been the norm for BMW.
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The K9/K900 is already on this level of luxury (in some ways surpassing the G90).
Note how the center console is wrapped in leather w/ a padded area for the knee.
Don't think there's much that Kia needs to do to the interior when the K9/K900 gets its F/L, but the underwhelming sheetmetal could use a major overhaul.
Otoh, would be great if the Stinger's interior would be even 60-70% of the K9/K900's interior when it comes to luxury.
Man, that Kia logo on the steering wheel cover looks so out of place in an interior this premium; and look how much more premium the cover looks than for the one in the Stinger.
There will likely be a more performance-oriented variant later on (remains to be seen if will remain being called the Sport or something else).
I know it has the interior done just right and the G80 is in a similar vein to the K900. What I really meant to say is that the K900 lacks the interior sound deadening as they are giving the Genesis vehicles. They might do that for the home market vehicles but that's not the case for the US vehicles. When I was in between cars after wrecking the 2018, I drove the K900 several times, it was my other pick, along with the G70. I just couldn't get with the small interior of the G70 and they didn't have many K900s around without the VIP package. I felt the K900 let in more road noise than one should expect in that level of car.
toddasaurus found this S African article (of all places) which cites a Korean source saying that the Stinger will be getting the 3.5TT.
Next-Gen Kia Stinger to Boast More Power
Even assuming the Korean cite being accurate, it may only apply to LHD markets and SA is RHD.
There have been those who have speculated that the 3.3TT is underrated, but don't think it's as much as the new 3.5TT (as Biermann wasn't head of engineering at the time or what BMW tends to do.
I'd say somewhere btwn a 10-15 HP (could be more, but trying to be conservative; the 0-60 time would be better if the Stinger had the ZF8).
Interesting, haven't heard that before.
Do you think it could've been the tires or something specific to the K900 you drove?
Alex gave the K900 an A++ for cabin noise in his review and stated that it was one of the quietest vehicles he had tested.
21:56 mark
Sofyan also remarked about how quiet it was in his review.
2:24 mark
I guess there is the possibility that the press car they drove was a Korean-spec.
Next-Gen Kia Stinger to Boast More Power
Even assuming the Korean cite being accurate, it may only apply to LHD markets and SA is RHD.
There have been those who have speculated that the 3.3TT is underrated, but don't think it's as much as the new 3.5TT (as Biermann wasn't head of engineering at the time or what BMW tends to do.
I'd say somewhere btwn a 10-15 HP (could be more, but trying to be conservative; the 0-60 time would be better if the Stinger had the ZF8).
Interesting, haven't heard that before.
Do you think it could've been the tires or something specific to the K900 you drove?
Alex gave the K900 an A++ for cabin noise in his review and stated that it was one of the quietest vehicles he had tested.
21:56 mark
Sofyan also remarked about how quiet it was in his review.
2:24 mark
I guess there is the possibility that the press car they drove was a Korean-spec.
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Waynerm002
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Wind noise wasn't too bad but it wasn't as low as in the G80 Sport. I know there was road/tire noise on some surfaces that was higher than I expected. My plan was to put on some wider, grippier tires, like the Michelins we have on the Stinger but, that would just increase the noise. I know they aren't at the level of the Germans but for their top level luxury car, I was also expecting the road/tire noise to be less. I still remember when the 5 Series GT came out and I test drove a used version, with the V8. I was thinking this car wasn't all that quick. I was used to hearing some wind noise by the time my 5 series hit around 80 - 90. When I heard some in that car and heard it I tought, man this thing took longer to get to 80 than I would have expected. A check of the speed showed 120! I was thinking WTH, I'm taking this thing back, not buying this as I would be getting tickets all the time!
For comparison, I recall driving a used RL with the first implementation of SH-AWD, that thing was too darn quiet and isolated from the road, it just didn't feel right. So I guess this is a contrast between the younger version of myself and now. The 2010 535 M-Sport was just the right level of noise isolation, comfort and sportiness for me. My 2019 Stinger could use a bit more isolation from road and wind noise, more on the road/tire noise side, but I still love it. I do understand that manufacturers sacrificed some cabin noise comfort to get better economy, starting some years ago and some are still doing that now. Heck, as lovely and nice as Volvo's interiors are on their latest vehicles, the new XC90 in 2016, and others after had more road noise and couldn't justify paying the price they were asking when my 2017 Optima Hybrid is quieter. Same on the S90/CC, XC60. The 2019 S60 T6 R-Design was better but not enough for me to forgo the Stinger.
The new Genesis G80 and GV80 seems to have taken the luxury level a bit higher, which I feel is warranted to better separate Genesis from other Hyundai/KIA vehicles. The K900 needs a refresh to make it more appealing on the outside. It's strange how the darker colors make it look really good compared to the lighter ones. Who knows, maybe in a few years I'll pick up a used one and a Mando box to tune the suspension to a sportier feel.
For comparison, I recall driving a used RL with the first implementation of SH-AWD, that thing was too darn quiet and isolated from the road, it just didn't feel right. So I guess this is a contrast between the younger version of myself and now. The 2010 535 M-Sport was just the right level of noise isolation, comfort and sportiness for me. My 2019 Stinger could use a bit more isolation from road and wind noise, more on the road/tire noise side, but I still love it. I do understand that manufacturers sacrificed some cabin noise comfort to get better economy, starting some years ago and some are still doing that now. Heck, as lovely and nice as Volvo's interiors are on their latest vehicles, the new XC90 in 2016, and others after had more road noise and couldn't justify paying the price they were asking when my 2017 Optima Hybrid is quieter. Same on the S90/CC, XC60. The 2019 S60 T6 R-Design was better but not enough for me to forgo the Stinger.
The new Genesis G80 and GV80 seems to have taken the luxury level a bit higher, which I feel is warranted to better separate Genesis from other Hyundai/KIA vehicles. The K900 needs a refresh to make it more appealing on the outside. It's strange how the darker colors make it look really good compared to the lighter ones. Who knows, maybe in a few years I'll pick up a used one and a Mando box to tune the suspension to a sportier feel.
