Swapping front door tweeters (component speaker)

I have a GT2 so I can't test this idea out, but have any of you considered 3D printing grills with horns to tame and tune, and disperse the sound from the tweeters? For home systems I find nothing beats a Klipsch due to the nice, bright but well-tamed tweeters, and they do this by carefully tweaking the horn to get the bright clear highs without being overpowering on-axis while remaining enjoyable off-axis (for an example of overpowering on-axis, think Peavey speakers often used for gigs and weddings - those tweeters are absolutely dreadfully harsh on-axis, and worse in that they are dull off-axis).

Highs are difficult to get right in a car if you want it to sound great from all seating positions and that's why most car audio systems feel like a compromise, and that is because they are; they're trying to get the best sound possible from every seating position.
 
Kimberly Lazarski said:
Highs are difficult to get right in a car if you want it to sound great from all seating positions and that's why most car audio systems feel like a compromise, and that is because they are; they're trying to get the best sound possible from every seating position.
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Agree 100% [I've posted precisely this numerous times in responses elsewhere]

I think materials and speaker angle does play a small role in the sound reproduction in the Stinger's interior. I have moved my listening position around the cabin and things do change quite a bit even with very small adjustments.
 
stoopid said:
Update #15.3 :rofl:
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Here's the current, and hopefully final, build list for my stock/non-Harmon Kardon:

Center Dash / middle speaker [currently disconnected]
Subs under seats [unmodified/stock]
Front doors JVC 6.5" from component set, Focal 1.5" tweeters [Focals are optional, I had already installed them]
Rear doors Rockford Fosgate 6.5" 3-way
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I'm running out of speakers to swap, so maybe finally final?

Purchased and installed the Infinity 4" referenced a while back in this thread to replace the garbage dash speaker. Huge improvement in audio quality over the stock 4" speaker. Install wasn't too bad, there's two plastic tubes that feed air to the middle vents that have to be pressed in slightly to allow the larger magnet on the Infinity to fit. I used two washers with the two stock screws that allowed me to tighten the speaker down firmly.

If anyone is looking to swap their dash speaker I have the second Infinity collecting dust (they're only sold as a pair). DM me.

Center Dash / middle speaker Infinity Reference REF-4032CFX 4" 2-Way
Subs under seats [unmodified/stock]
Front doors JVC CS-DR1700C 6.5" component set
Rear doors Rockford Fosgate 6.5" 3-way
 
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I used to install car audio as a side job back in the late 80s and early 90s. While quality of the drivers are important, in a car they are far from the only metric that affect sound quality.

Placement of the front drivers - especially tweeter and midrange - affect the Soundstage profoundly. I have noticed in recent years, car mfrs seem to care less and less about speaker placement. For example, ideally, the tweeters and midrange should be very close to each other and as far away from the driver's ears as practical. They are also best angled in a "crossfire" aim - driver's side pointing directly at the passenger's head, and passenger's side pointing at the driver. This not only allows the natural off-axis attenuation of most speakers to balance the dynamic levels between the two off-center seats, the longish paths help improve stereo imaging. Tweet and mid being close together minimizes phase errors that invariably creates humps and dips in the frequency response right at the listener's ear.

Best driver's in the world aren't gonna sound their best if placement is far from ideal. In the old days, we used to place tweets and mids in custom-built kick panel pods. Almost a must for IASCA competition cars. That was back in the days where a lot of cars have generous foot wells. Tough to do in a compact sedan like the G70.
 
Volfy said:
I used to install car audio as a side job back in the late 80s and early 90s. While quality of the drivers are important, in a car they are far from the only metric that affect sound quality.

Placement of the front drivers - especially tweeter and midrange - affect the Soundstage profoundly. I have noticed in recent years, car mfrs seem to care less and less about speaker placement. For example, ideally, the tweeters and midrange should be very close to each other and as far away from the driver's ears as practical. They are also best angled in a "crossfire" aim - driver's side pointing directly at the passenger's head, and passenger's side pointing at the driver. This not only allows the natural off-axis attenuation of most speakers to balance the dynamic levels between the two off-center seats, the longish paths help improve stereo imaging. Tweet and mid being close together minimizes phase errors that invariably creates humps and dips in the frequency response right at the listener's ear.

Best driver's in the world aren't gonna sound their best if placement is far from ideal. In the old days, we used to place tweets and mids in custom-built kick panel pods. Almost a must for IASCA competition cars. That was back in the days where a lot of cars have generous foot wells. Tough to do in a compact sedan like the G70.
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Agree with this. I didn't actually extend the lines from the tweeters to the seating position, but they are slightly off axis and are close to what you describe. The imagining in the Stinger isn't too bad. I think the dash speaker being placed below the windshield firing directly up onto the glass is suboptimal, only certain frequencies are going to reflect cleanly off that surface. That said, the last swap (4" dash speaker) has once again improved things. In conclusion, while disconnecting the dash speaker worked for me, the muted audio guidance that the infotainment sends primarily to the dash speaker (navigation, etc) was annoying and the small hole left in the soundfield in the dash speaker's absence undesirable. These couple relatively minor things necessitated finally biting the bullet and swapping the 4" dash speaker.
 
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after tearing out half the interior to install a 13" Tesla screen in my last car four times (install, add aftermarket wifi antenna, add factory GPS antenna adapter, and removal), i'm kinda burned out on doing it again in the Stinger, despite being extremely picky with how my audio sounds.

i use Android Auto with the Poweramp music app - i set up a 16 band GEQ to dial out the harsh highs and im pretty happy with it. the factory HK system sounds pretty good, but is definitely a bit too trebly. this wont help people who use streaming services, but i have 125gb of music stored on my phone, and that's all i listen to.
 
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