Alignment issues 2023 stinger

[buicknut]

2023 stinger all-wheel drive. Replaced all driver suspension, and still has too much caster. Are they known to be out just a little bit?

 

[Kia Stinger]

2023 stinger all-wheel drive. Replaced all driver suspension, and still has too much caster. Are they known to be out just a little bit?

Welcome. Just letting you know that I’m moving this topic out of the community lounge and into the Stinger suspension forum.

 

[Snicklefritz]

Replaced all driver suspension,

waaat?? explain that please.

 

[buicknut]

waaat?? explain that please.

The car was involved in an accident. Structure-wise nothing much. It is that Matt finish. I am the body technician working on the car. It broke the outer tie rod and off of the knuckle. Just a quick break fracture. Other than that nothing much. Didn't that even ruin the tire. Every place everything but the cradle and one letter arm I think it's called. Looking up down through and around they didn't look bad. I've got them coming just to make sure. So the whole suspension will be brand new. But I don't see it bringing the tire bottom in. If anything from the accident it should stretch it out. Camber is just about 2°in.
Are these cars from the factory set and aligned correctly. Anybody having problems with cars at have not been involved in anything.

 

[Snicklefritz]

Are these cars from the factory set and aligned correctly. Anybody having problems with cars at have not been involved in anything.

thanks for the description. stingers do not have adjustable camber in front. it is a beef many of us share. mine wears the outer edges of the front tires first. if I would not corner hard that would not be a problem. 'my' wheels and tires guys say that I should get coilovers if adjusting front camber is desired. but Imafraid of the ride quality suffering. then there's the expense, the rabbit hole of modding I want to stay away from.

 

[Volfy]

The car was involved in an accident. Structure-wise nothing much. It is that Matt finish. I am the body technician working on the car. It broke the outer tie rod and off of the knuckle. Just a quick break fracture. Other than that nothing much. Didn't that even ruin the tire. Every place everything but the cradle and one letter arm I think it's called. Looking up down through and around they didn't look bad. I've got them coming just to make sure. So the whole suspension will be brand new. But I don't see it bringing the tire bottom in. If anything from the accident it should stretch it out. Camber is just about 2°in.
Are these cars from the factory set and aligned correctly. Anybody having problems with cars at have not been involved in anything.

The front rail is likely tweaked out of true in the accident. Both our G70/Stinger stayed in the tolerance range (IIRC, right on the money stock at -1.0deg, -1.2 on lowering springs). Other alignment sheets I've seen folks post also showed front numbers staying pretty much in range.

That said, I would've loved -2deg front camber, but in your case, that is not a good thing.

 

[buicknut]

thanks for the description. stingers do not have adjustable camber in front. it is a beef many of us share. mine wears the outer edges of the front tires first. if I would not corner hard that would not be a problem. 'my' wheels and tires guys say that I should get coilovers if adjusting front camber is desired. but Imafraid of the ride quality suffering. then there's the expense, the rabbit hole of modding I want to stay away from.

Yes I know what you mean when you start modifying watch the wallet just fly away. Lol. But this is a customer's car very very low mileage. Very new. The accident was not bad. Which leaves me to think that from the beginning Kia stingers have never really lined up.

 

[Volfy]

thanks for the description. stingers do not have adjustable camber in front. it is a beef many of us share. mine wears the outer edges of the front tires first. if I would not corner hard that would not be a problem. 'my' wheels and tires guys say that I should get coilovers if adjusting front camber is desired. but Imafraid of the ride quality suffering. then there's the expense, the rabbit hole of modding I want to stay away from.

This is so true. Funny you should mention "rabbit hole". Right after we finished the Riaction coilover install, I told my son this:


I myself have been down the rabbit hole many a times... got a couple of T-shirts and a Cheshire Cat bobblehead. If it were up to me, I would've stopped a long while back, probably even stayed mostly stock. But young Alice wanted to explore, so the White Rabbit is obliged to lead.

Yes I know what you mean when you start modifying watch the wallet just fly away. Lol. But this is a customer's car very very low mileage. Very new. The accident was not bad. Which leaves me to think that from the beginning Kia stingers have never really lined up.

I dunno. If the bang-up was enough to break several dog bones, sounds like it could be hard enough to tweak the frame rail ever so slightly. Besides, the rail is the main structure of the front crumple zone that is designed specifically to absorb a large impact energy by deformation... not so much to stay rigid or to bounce back to the original shape.

 

[buicknut]

This is so true. Funny you should mention "rabbit hole". Right after we finished the Riaction coilover install, I told my son this:
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I myself have been down the rabbit hole many a times... got a couple of T-shirts and a Cheshire Cat bobblehead. If it were up to me, I would've stopped a long while back, probably even stayed mostly stock. But young Alice wanted to explore, so the White Rabbit is obliged to lead.


I dunno. If the bang-up was enough to break several dog bones, sounds like it could be hard enough to tweak the frame rail ever so slightly. Besides, the rail is the main structure of the front crumple zone that is designed specifically to absorb a large impact energy by deformation... not so much to stay rigid or to bounce back to the original shape.

I appreciate your response. But it didn't do anything that you said. The knuckle was the only thing that fracture. In a very very weak area. I'm going to have the rails measured out. But in my 30 years of experience being a full body technician I've never came across something so minor move rails. I have on the other hand came across Kia Hyundai being crap built. Had a Genesis one time minor pump up. Couldn't get the hood headlights and bumper to line up like I like. So I went to the dealer front line were set 5 Genesis. I look and took pictures of each one. Each one of them brand new cars were different than the other one. Mine was 10 times better than the factory. So when I'm looking for is someone who actually does alignments on these cars. The car that has came in for just a basic alignment. Cuz you know Kia recommends alignment every 6,000 mi. So there should be a whole lot of people out there who has done alignments on these and could tell how bad it is from the factory. That's what I'm asking. Thank you so much for your time and your patience. May you have a wonderful rest of the year. and remember if you go outside it is hotter than hell. At least where I'm at

 

[Volfy]

I was going off of what you said about replacing all driver's side suspension components. So sounds like most of those were still good but were replaced just in case they were bent or twisted.

As for the 6k alignment checks... that doesn't mean the chassis/suspension systems are weak. It just means they recommend the alignment checks be done for optimum performance and tire wear. I had my first alignment done on the Stinger just after I installed the lowering springs and anti-roll bars. I took it to a track day a week later, came back and the rear alignment was all out of whack. Camber was so visibly off and looked goofy as heck. Took it in for an alignment re-check, and everything was brought back to within normal range. Apparently, just driving on the track pull the rear camber arms out of speck. I made sure I re-tightened those bolts to the high end of the torque spec, and I've had no more problem since, even after several AutoX and Track Sprints.

Still, that's why I bought a lifetime alignment. Very much worth it.

 

[Rodtheviking]

Lower control arm, the inner bushing is.. not that good. If you haven't replaced it.

54506 J5000

 

[Snicklefritz]

I myself have been down the rabbit hole many a times... got a couple of T-shirts and a Cheshire Cat bobblehead.

lol. you have just graduated from entertaining and informative to funny as well. your fav song is probably 'white rabbit' am I right?

 

[Volfy]

lol. you have just graduated from entertaining and informative to funny as well. your fav song is probably 'white rabbit' am I right?

Hehe... I like so many songs. Not sure which is my favorite. But I am very sure the Original Matrix is one of my all-time favorite movies.

This is one of the afore-mentioned T-Shirts I got from finding out how deep the rabbit hole goes:

 

[Snicklefritz]

This is one of the afore-mentioned T-Shirts I got from finding out how deep the rabbit hole goes:

you know how deep you went. it goes a lot deeper even beyond chapter 7 or 13 to infinity and beyond. this is just money talk rabbit holes.