Windbooster vs. BMS Pedal Tuner vs. Pedal Commander vs. Sprint Booster

[ScottM]

Yeah the XLR works like a charm! It's not really about the power...I agree with Terry...it's pedal feel. Now, when I set mine to neutral I'm like "what the F". I set it to Sport or sport+... and she gets moving. Once again, not more horses... just better feel. Love it!

 

[AusStinger]

Looks the same to me. If they only attach to the gas pedal then all they can do is make the car think the gas pedal was pushed down further than it actually is. Throttle doesn't open "faster" and there is zero actual performance benefit with any of these. It's all about pedal feel. Some people love them and others hate them. Of the various options I like our design as it's both inexpensive and simple (no app required), but to each their own.

It's funny you say all that since those were my initial thoughts as well.

I drive around in comfort mode 90% of the time and aside from the throttle response, the transmission seems to want to get to 8th gear as fast as possible. After fitting the unit and driving the car, I've noticed that the transmission takes longer to get into the top gear which adds to the driving experience. Possibly a side perk from the throttle changes.

I understand that there's no performance gains to be had but it does enhance the spirited driving experience with what you've got.

As I said earlier, I was against these units before, but on the stinger I think it's an actual improvement.

 

[AusStinger]

Also, I would say its more of a pedal response gain than pedal feel. Pedal feel in my mind is the feel / feedback through the pedal itself whereas this controller does change the speed at which the throttle body opens. It's obvious.

Maybe the unit I have fitted is different / better than the BMS one (?).

 

[StingertimeNC]

Also, I would say its more of a pedal response gain than pedal feel. Pedal feel in my mind is the feel / feedback through the pedal itself whereas this controller does change the speed at which the throttle body opens. It's obvious.

Maybe the unit I have fitted is different / better than the BMS one (?).

Probably not better, it's just the one you have. Only way to know is to try one of each in your car. I drive in sport mode only and even with the pedal tuner, I still can't stand comfort mode. It does go into too high a gear too quickly. When on the highway, I use cruise control and then the transmission will shift all the way up without holding gears.

Edit, I only have experience with the BMS pedal tuner so I'm just spouting opinions. I have nothing to compare it to.

 

[AusStinger]

Probably not better, it's just the one you have. Only way to know is to try one of each in your car. I drive in sport mode only and even with the pedal tuner, I still can't stand comfort mode. It does go into too high a gear too quickly. When on the highway, I use cruise control and then the transmission will shift all the way up without holding gears.

Edit, I only have experience with the BMS pedal tuner so I'm just spouting opinions. I have nothing to compare it to.

I run around in Comfort mode but with my controller set to 2-4 out of 9 and my Mando ECS10 set the way I like it, it's like Sports mode but better throttle response and handling but changes gears somewhere between factory Comfort and Sports.

Im old school and am used to replacing a throttle body or installing coil overs etc so it blows my mind how all these little interception devices change things so profoundly.

 

[Spyder168]

Looks the same to me. If they only attach to the gas pedal then all they can do is make the car think the gas pedal was pushed down further than it actually is. Throttle doesn't open "faster" and there is zero actual performance benefit with any of these. It's all about pedal feel. Some people love them and others hate them. Of the various options I like our design as it's both inexpensive and simple (no app required), but to each their own.

It takes the throttle body drive by wire lag AWAY! I have Sprint Booster V3.. Used to have a Pedal Commander on my 18 Q50, it worked as advertised other than it throwing a code and limp mode twice...I didn't want to not have it after experiencing what it truly does. No it doesn't give any HP gains but by removing the lag time to no lag depending on your prefered setting... it gives you instant throttle response and will shave your 0 to 60 times due to having instant response. I highly recommend trying one as it takes the already fun car to another level...no BS! The Sprint Booster V3 has not thrown any codes or limp mode as the Oedal Commander did, so I'm extremely happy with my choice.

 

[Spyder168]

Also, I would say its more of a pedal response gain than pedal feel. Pedal feel in my mind is the feel / feedback through the pedal itself whereas this controller does change the speed at which the throttle body opens. It's obvious.

Maybe the unit I have fitted is different / better than the BMS one (?).

It absolutely opens throttle body faster.

 

[Terry@BMS]

It absolutely opens throttle body faster.

They don't. They just change the relationship between how much the gas pedal is pushed in reality and at the ECU level. So 75% pedal input becomes 100% pedal input, for example. And anything after 75% is the same as 100%. As I've said they can be fun mods but you need to understand what they can and can't do. They don't do anything you can't already do with your foot.

 

[ScottM]

Ehhh...I'll make another comment to this, it's Thursday. The thought that "just push your foot further down and you'll get the same effect" is I guess technically true. BUT... not exactly in the real world. As others have said, it removes that "hesitation" that most of us feel as we first push on the gas pedal. I suppose I could push my foot down really hard and get rid of that hesitation, but why.

 

[AYip31]

all of these pedal throttle tuners are a Feel mod. Has no performance gains what so ever.
It does get raid of the pedal lag and Feels it’s going faster, buts it’s not.
Some people like them, some don’t and just push their feet down more.
To me, even pushing the pedal down more or harder without the throttle tuner, still has a lag.
To me, it’s worth it at the price I payed, would i pay full price… No. but I do love Not having the feeling of a lag

 

[Terry@BMS]

Ehhh...I'll make another comment to this, it's Thursday. The thought that "just push your foot further down and you'll get the same effect" is I guess technically true. BUT... not exactly in the real world. As others have said, it removes that "hesitation" that most of us feel as we first push on the gas pedal. I suppose I could push my foot down really hard and get rid of that hesitation, but why.

Yes the first 30% of the pedal is normally a lot of dead space. So to get the same effect you'd have to always push it around 30% off the bat. Getting an adapter to do that for you when you tap the gas pedal is easier and more fun. I just didn't want any confusion as to what is actually happening with these things. Not necessarily for you but for future readers of these posts.

 

[AusStinger]

Yes the first 30% of the pedal is normally a lot of dead space. So to get the same effect you'd have to always push it around 30% off the bat. Getting an adapter to do that for you when you tap the gas pedal is easier and more fun. I just didn't want any confusion as to what is actually happening with these things. Not necessarily for you but for future readers of these posts.

Spot on.

Been thinking about it and I've noticed that in most modes, if you drive aggressively the transmission logic hold the gears longer. I think apart from removing the throttle lag, it invokes the aggressively driven transmission logic which becomes part of the spirited driving experience.

The more I think about it, yes, you could just push you foot down harder and faster and get similar results.

It's a fun device and is something of a placebo but I think I'll keep mine.

 

[Spyder168]

They don't. They just change the relationship between how much the gas pedal is pushed in reality and at the ECU level. So 75% pedal input becomes 100% pedal input, for example. And anything after 75% is the same as 100%. As I've said they can be fun mods but you need to understand what they can and can't do. They don't do anything you can't already do with your foot.

Look up Sprint Booster V3 on you tube, then tell me it does nothing to open throttle body quicker than without it, that's how it works. Unless you've used one you don't get it. It sends more voltage to throttle body... there by opening it quicker. You can push the pedal as hard and fast as you want and there will still be a lag without it. Try one.

 

[AusStinger]

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[Terry@BMS]

Look up Sprint Booster V3 on you tube, then tell me it does nothing to open throttle body quicker than without it, that's how it works. Unless you've used one you don't get it. It sends more voltage to throttle body... there by opening it quicker. You can push the pedal as hard and fast as you want and there will still be a lag without it. Try one.

It does nothing to open the throttle body quicker than without it. You've fallen for a lot of marketing bullshit. More power to you but I can see clearly through it since I design these for a living.

 

[StingertimeNC]

Terry, come on, tell us the truth, did you really look it up on you tube? Lol.

Totally kidding Spyder168. Just busting your chops. As long as you love it that’s all that matters.

 

[Spyder168]

Must be a conspiracy...or the placebo effect...Not sure what your designing... all of us that have experienced the use of these are all out of step in this parade. I know for a fact what they do and how. But maybe it's all fake news. So tell us all what it does or doesn't do? Thanks. Also you've obviously never tried one....and I'm telling you and everyone else that wants to know it's not "marketing bullshit" the 2 that I've used, WORK! It makes a big difference! I'll say it again and again, and you who designs these for a living, what Brand do you design and are you selling them knowing they don't work? What does that say about you? I couldn't in good faith, design, sell or promote an Item I know to be bullshit...even for a paycheck. But that's just me.

It does nothing to open the throttle body quicker than without it. You've fallen for a lot of marketing bullshit. More power to you but I can see clearly through it since I design these for a living.

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[Spyder168]

Terry, come on, tell us the truth, did you really look it up on you tube? Lol.

Totally kidding Spyder168. Just busting your chops. As long as you love it that’s all that matters.

I can take it, no problem.

 

[Spyder168]

Must be a conspiracy...or the placebo effect...Not sure what your designing... all of us that have experienced the use of these are all out of step in this parade. I know for a fact what they do and how. But maybe it's all fake news. So tell us all what it does or doesn't do? Thanks. Also you've obviously never tried one....and I'm telling you and everyone else that wants to know it's not "marketing bullshit" the 2 that I've used, WORK! It makes a big difference! I'll say it again and again, and you who designs these for a living, what Brand do you design and are you selling them knowing they don't work? What does that say about you? I couldn't in good faith, design, sell or promote an Item I know to be bullshit...even for a paycheck. But that's just me.

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No disrespect either, I just happen to know what they do...and it's not nothing, at least the 2 I've actually used. I would have sent them back in a heartbeat if they did nothing.

 

[StingertimeNC]

I do agree they do work as advertised. In sport mode with the pedal tuner it's like instant power. It is a cool mod. I do have to concentrate a little to pull out smoothly in sport mode, otherwise the car just pushes you back and you let of the throttle a little bit and it's kind of jerky.