Engine Replacement

[Lord3Putt]

E85 is 9.8...Gas is 14.7...E30 should be 12.97'ish

FYI...if running a little lean for a brief moment on a 400hp car is gonna melt out turbos, they can't be very stout.

 

[monusa]

E85 is 9.8...Gas is 14.7

I totally understand the differences so if running E85, then "lambda" values would be the more "telling" criteria to determine what the engine is doing.

A Lambda reading does not care what fuel you are running because it is based strictly upon the ratio of air/fuel so regardless if that fuel is E85, 93 pump gas, diesel, or grain alcohol (don't do that). the point is, if you are going to go that route with your tuning, a Lambda sensor would let you know when things aren't going so well.......and I understand the "premise" behind E85 or E30 is to raise the Octane number but Lambda would still give you a more "telling" value.

 

[Lord3Putt]

I totally understand the differences so if running E85, then "lambda" values would be the more "telling" criteria to determine what the engine is doing.

A Lambda reading does not care what fuel you are running because it is based strictly upon the ratio of air/fuel so regardless if that fuel is E85, 93 pump gas, diesel, or grain alcohol (don't do that). the point is, if you are going to go that route with your tuning, a Lambda sensor would let you know when things aren't going so well.......and I understand the "premise" behind E85 or E30 is to raise the Octane number but Lambda would still give you a more "telling" value.

Totally agree. On my S4 we tuned to Lambda. Just made more sense.

I'm just saying, IMO, if he did melt his turbo after briefly flooring it on Map 4, his particular turbo was gonna blow sooner rather than later anyways. I haven't done any deep research into it, but also haven't seen a slew of turbo failures due to high egts.

 

[ariel3211]

I really feel for op, im sorry to hear your story and hope everyhting comes out fine, but i cant help also feel distressed at my own shortcoming and lack of knowledge in the matter.
i guess ill coinsider myself lucky that my car has not 'grenaded' yet even though i have ran my car in each jb4 tune to the exact specification that all the directions say i.e. i have run unleaded race fuel on map 5 (i have all the appropriate supporting mods for it) and daily in map 2 with 93 octane fuel.

 

[Readyakira]

Regardless of whether the mixture was right or not, the mods combined push the engine past its engineered limits. Sure in most cases properly tuned that most will handle it. But there is always going to be ones that don't. Even on a stock vehicle any slight hiccup in the electronics or engine can cause a failure really, really quick. The fact you took your tunes off is prob was saved you from that being a CP engine replacement. I do hope you removed the gas and filled it with regular premium before you sent it to the dealer. Otherwise you may be in for a bad day when they fire it up and road test it. It is also possible it wont run right and they will then pull a fuel sample and do an ethanol test on it (which is very easy to do) and then know the wrong fuel was in the engine. Chances are at that point they will still cover it but flag the car. As a mechanic myself I have seen what mods can do. I have also seen stock engines grenade for no reason at all. Sure it is very hard to prove the tune was the cause but in reality it is the most likely culprit mixed with unintended fuels.
Lets use this example. Buy a ladder. its rated for 300lbs. Sure if you are 350 I will probably hold. But, you then are exceeding the safe limit. The engineer knows it can go over 300. but there is a safety factor in there so they can be confident it won't fail. Now consider the hundreds of parts and sensors on a modern engine. that is a lot of different parts that are engineered to only work reliably at a certain limit. How many of those parts are you pushing with a tune and/or mods.

Don't get me wrong. I am not saying not to mod your car. That is entirely up to you. But like stated its a risk assessment that only you can decide. I just had to give a guy a 45k bill for a motor and trans in a brand new mustang because of tunes and mods and his abuse of the car. There was blatant evidence of it. Bald tires at less then 6k miles. Exhaust leak marks on the body where the stock exhaust don't have a way of leaking. aftermarket intake that requires a tune to use. O2 sensors not in the vehicle. bellhousing was exploded and the mating surface on the block was too. Ford knows damn well it is not possible for the stock design to do what happened to this vehicle and would have sent an inspector out on a job that expensive. They would have hands down denied that vehicle and voided his warranty and flagged the car. He had no option but to pay the bill so he could keep a warranty on the car in case something legit did happen. At least this customer knew and understood what I had to explain to him. Have had the same thing happen with a diesel. guy had a massive tune, egr deleted and exhaust deleted. The power he put to the tires was enough the twist the drive shaft, break the pinion flange right off the rear end. Again I had to explain that when nufacturer asks for warranty pictures and sees the 8k$ exhaust missing they know there has to be a tune on the vehicle. and they know that the torque and horsepower had to be way over what they have deemed to be safe for the drivetrain. guy had 1500 miles on the vehicle. On the other side I have pushed some repairs through that I know were caused by modifications. when I come across a vehicle like that I sit and access the chance of the manufacturer saying no. If I think a can push it through I will. But I will also tell the customer that he got a freebie. Most times they are grateful and understand.

Gratz on it getting covered. Sorry about the problems and very very sorry you have a sick child. Bare with the dealer on the time to get repaired. Everything nowadays is backordered. I ordered a tent to go camping a month ago. still no expected ship date. same thing with an above ground pool. And 2 months I waited for a custom drive shaft to be built due to one part of the u-Joint. I have had transmissions I couldn't build for 3 months due to 1 tiny part not being available. See ya on the road some day!

 

[Yemen]

I had a very similar incident happen (keep in mind I have no mods.) I had oil everywhere on the spark plugs and in the intake (no white smoke.) I had the car towed to the dealership sometime around March. At first they refused to cover the car under warranty. I called them to see what the problem was and they said the turbo. I called them again a few weeks later they said the whole engine had to be replaced. They changed up their story so many times I didn't know what to believe. They quoted me I believe $12k to have it fixed, to which I just hung up the phone.
I contacted Kia Consumer Affairs for 3-4 months begging them to honor my warranty.
I spoke with the manager at the dealership who was a real snob, he gave me so much attitude acting as if I was the reason the engine failed. The worst experience I've ever had with any business hands down.
Fast forward to July I get a call from the dealership telling me that they are going to cover the costs under warranty. I call the service department to ask them how long and they said two weeks. Long story short, they kept delaying it and I got it back around September.

 

[Yemen]

I had a very similar incident happen (keep in mind I have no mods.) I had oil everywhere on the spark plugs and in the intake (no white smoke.) I had the car towed to the dealership sometime around March. At first they refused to cover the car under warranty. I called them to see what the problem was and they said the turbo. I called them again a few weeks later they said the whole engine had to be replaced. They changed up their story so many times I didn't know what to believe. They quoted me I believe $12k to have it fixed, to which I just hung up the phone.
I contacted Kia Consumer Affairs for 3-4 months begging them to honor my warranty.
I spoke with the manager at the dealership who was a real snob, he gave me so much attitude acting as if I was the reason the engine failed. The worst experience I've ever had with any business hands down.
Fast forward to July I get a call from the dealership telling me that they are going to cover the costs under warranty. I call the service department to ask them how long and they said two weeks. Long story short, they kept delaying it and I got it back around September.

There is a lot of information I left out, feel free to ask me anything.

 

[Readyakira]

Did they give you a reason Yemen they didn't want to cover it?

 

[Yemen]

Did they give you a reason Yemen they didn't want to cover it?

Well, I had gotten into a little fender bender, nothing major. Just had to get the fender and rocker molding replaced. They tried to make an outlandish claim that the accident caused the engine failure. They were really trying their hardest to look for a reason not to cover the damage. Keep in mind that the accident happened in December and the engine failed in March. There is no correlation between the two AT ALL.

 

[stoopid]

Well, I had gotten into a little fender bender, nothing major. Just had to get the fender and rocker molding replaced. They tried to make an outlandish claim that the accident caused the engine failure. They were really trying their hardest to look for a reason not to cover the damage. Keep in mind that the accident happened in December and the engine failed in March. There is no correlation between the two AT ALL.

Precisely why I give them as little to work with as possible (no mods, etc) and usually get all oil changes done at a dealer. Even dropin K&N filters can be a point of contention for techs hell bent on denying a claim, but they'd just be casting shade on themselves trying that level stuff so most won't bother. Sounds like you "lucked out" working with a crummy dealership.

What did you do for transportation for 6 months??

 

[Yemen]

Precisely why I give them as little to work with as possible (no mods, etc) and usually get all oil changes done at a dealer. Even dropin K&N filters can be a point of contention for techs hell bent on denying a claim, but they'd just be casting shade on themselves trying that level stuff so most won't bother. Sounds like you "lucked out" working with a crummy dealership.

What did you do for transportation for 6 months??

I guess their gameplay was to try and starve me out for as long as possible hoping I get desperate enough to just forget about the warranty and just cover the costs myself. Little did they know I had another car and I had all the time in the world.

I've heard from a few of my friends who work in service department that this is a common tactic that they deploy so that customers spend their money instead of the dealerships. Some people don't have a second car so they have no choice but to give in. I asked them for a loaner multiple times to which they replied, "We don't have any available." I found that very hard to believe. I also tried to get compensated for the time that the car was held hostage, that didn't work out.

 

[stoopid]

I've heard from a few of my friends who work in service department that this is a common tactic that they deploy so that customers spend their money instead of the dealerships. Some people don't have a second car so they have no choice but to give in. I asked them for a loaner multiple times to which they replied, "We don't have any available." I found that very hard to believe. I also tried to get compensated for the time that the car was held hostage, that didn't work out.

Small claims would be your only avenue to recoup some loss of time with the car. If you payed for a rental all that time, you definitely could have sued for that.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I've heard from a few of my friends who work in service department that this is a common tactic that they deploy so that customers spend their money instead of the dealerships.

Something I'm not getting: I've always been told that Kia Corp pays for warranty work, not the dealers. So, why would the dealers be motivated to avoid doing warranty work?

 

[Devin]

Something I'm not getting: I've always been told that Kia Corp pays for warranty work, not the dealers. So, why would the dealers be motivated to avoid doing warranty work?

My guess is there are metrics/KPIs that reflect on the dealer and may cost them pricing, promotions or other things.

 

[Luc343]

Something I'm not getting: I've always been told that Kia Corp pays for warranty work, not the dealers. So, why would the dealers be motivated to avoid doing warranty work?

Kia pays a lot less for a warranty claim to the dealer, where a customer pays a lot more to the dealer as a repair. Put simply, the dealer makers more money from you then they would from Kia, for the same work. A bad dealer will always try to deny a warranty claim in favour of a repair.

Hyundai dealers were particularly guilty of this many years ago.

I have heard this type of thing happening to many makes of cars, not just Kia.

 

[Didaho]

I have more logs on my laptop, but these are some from my phone.

 

[Didaho]

I have more logs on my laptop, but these are some from my phone.

I wanted to add that when I was taking off the mods. I noticed on the side that the turno blew out on, there was a metal cap about 3 inches in circumstance. It was sitting in the intake right on the inside of where the extended pipe joins to the car.

I noticed that that it had come of the end of the of the Spectre filter. The cap sits on the end of the filter and it will pull off from inside the filter. Considering how the turbo had the fan damaged and caused this whole mess, could that be what hit the fan?

 

[Didaho]

I have read quite a bit on this forum, but never posted. I am not knowledgeable about car mechanics outside of the basics. I thought it may be good to document my experience here, as I have used the postings of others. I have never had a car remotely like this one in any aspect.....power, technology, you name it. To say that I have enjoyed it is an understatement. I drive it pretty hard, but it has always had premium and all the servicing and oil changes down at the dealership. I run 4 gals of E85 with the 93 oct as often as I can, which typically means about a tank out of every third. The majority of my driving is long distance as I use my car for work trips. I got both the extended warranty with premier plus wrap roadside, and the rim and tire protection. I did not want to have to worry about having a reliable ride for work and for taking my daughter to her weekly chemo treatments ALL B Cell.

Last Sunday, I was stopping the gas down on my 2020 RWD GT 2 with about 13K miles on it, and I hear this odd noise, feel a big loss of power, and white smoke comes billowing out of the exhaust. I seriously nearly threw up. I limped back to the house looking like a fog machine. It smelled strongly of burnt oil. At the time, I was running Map 4 with 93 octane and E85. I was not running a log. Previously, I collected several logs but never got around to posting them or learning to read them.

At home, when I was taking my mods off, I noticed that there was a splash of oil below the intake on the left as you face the front of the car. When I took that intake off, there was quite a bit of oil inside the intake hose. The oil was about a quart low. After returning the car to stock, I could kill the car, and it would crank again fine. It idled kind of rough and smoked its ass off. After a while of running the smoke eased off a bit. The CEL was on and there was a message about the ECU having a problem.

Very shortly after all this happening, I had to leave for a long drive to a work site for which I had to get a rental. I was very busy at the work site, but I managed to get my roadside coverage to tow the car to the local dealership. After several days when the service department could look at it, one of my friends got in touch with them. "They said that there was an engine failure and oil had gotten into the turbo's. The engine and the turbo's would need to be replaced." When my friend asked what caused it, they said, "It was nothing that was done. It just had a failure. It would be fully covered."

The problem is that he said that there were also other Kia cars there that were waiting on an engine replacement that had been waiting since November. They were backed up and having a lot of trouble getting the engines from Kia. Maybe because I live in the southern US and the Winter Storm Uri was like a mini apocalypse and shipping is very screwed up. They had no loaners. They did mention that rental cars were covered as a part of the warranty. I'm currently trying to figure that out.

On a personal note, it could not have come at a worse time. It was my only car. Besides using it for work, my daughter's leukemia relapsed and she went back into St. Jude's which is 4 hours away. Due to covid restrictions, I have not been able to see them since she was admitted three weeks ago. I have been waiting for my chance to get up there as soon as she is able to be outpatient. Needless to say, I am busy trying to obtain a ride until whatever time I can get my car back.

I will post updates.

K&N/Spectre air filter failure = unhappy turbo

My good friend recently finished his 6.0 turbo swap into his old c10. He bought a Spectre air filter from Advance auto. Who would of thought this would be a issue but man was he wrong. The glue failed on a metal plug in the filter and it ruined the compressor wheel on the turbo. I know of...

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[Didaho]

I had a very similar incident happen (keep in mind I have no mods.) I had oil everywhere on the spark plugs and in the intake (no white smoke.) I had the car towed to the dealership sometime around March. At first they refused to cover the car under warranty. I called them to see what the problem was and they said the turbo. I called them again a few weeks later they said the whole engine had to be replaced. They changed up their story so many times I didn't know what to believe. They quoted me I believe $12k to have it fixed, to which I just hung up the phone.
I contacted Kia Consumer Affairs for 3-4 months begging them to honor my warranty.
I spoke with the manager at the dealership who was a real snob, he gave me so much attitude acting as if I was the reason the engine failed. The worst experience I've ever had with any business hands down.
Fast forward to July I get a call from the dealership telling me that they are going to cover the costs under warranty. I call the service department to ask them how long and they said two weeks. Long story short, they kept delaying it and I got it back around September.

Finally got my car back.

 

[Didaho]

Finally got my car back.

Can anyone saw how I could get some to look at the logs and maybe comment on the Spectre air filters ruining the engine? I don't want this to happen to anyone else.