If the Stinger didn't exist, what would you have bought?

[Lord3Putt]

If you asked me this question 1 year ago I wold have told you Audi S5, Mercedes AMG or BMW M3 but after owning several Germans I am tired of something braking and costing me a testicle or a kidney also oil change for my Porsche is 350 USD, so I say naturally a Genesis product and I hope to buy the upcoming Genesis G80 Sport version its gonna be a blast to drive and the cabin is ultra lux.

Which Porsche are you referring to? Your 2017 911 or your 2014 981? Also, how expensive were the oil changes in your Ferrari? Did you "brake" anything in your Huracan that costed you a testicle or kidney? And 1 final question: if you get a new vehicle every year, like your previous list suggests, what exactly is costing you money to fix? Are you buying new cars without a warranty?

 

[5tinger]

In Australia the G70 V6 costs almost 30k more than Stinger.
No wonder I've seen ZERO G70s around lol

 

[GenesisG70]

Which Porsche are you referring to? Your 2017 911 or your 2014 981? Also, how expensive were the oil changes in your Ferrari? Did you "brake" anything in your Huracan that costed you a testicle or kidney? And 1 final question: if you get a new vehicle every year, like your previous list suggests, what exactly is costing you money to fix? Are you buying new cars without a warranty?

1. 981
2. don't a Ferrari I am not naive, if you brake anything will cost you a testicle and I am not a billionaire
3. Don't have a Huracan
4. Pretty much get a car once a year but I have slowed down due to pandemic economics
5. the Porsche dealer wanted 3,000 for the 60,000 mile maintenance, my last Porsche for sure
6. All cars have warranty when you buy them new.

Do you have any more questions?

 

[MerlintheMad]

Also, how expensive were the oil changes in your Ferrari?

My friend, Chris Farrell, had a Ferrari (couldn't tell you which one), and his oil changes were a thousand bucks a visit. Similarly, when he bent a wheel, he paid out c. $600 to get it fixed; because the price of a new one was $3K, if I recall correctly; something like that. But, you could get a set for $6K; "By Grabthar's hammer, what a savings!"

 

[SKStinger]

A used Audi S6/S7

 

[Lord3Putt]

1. 981

But you did have a 911. Right? With the same exact issues as your 981?
"My 2017 911 had several issues daily drove it in sunny Florida and the door panels were warping, head liner sagged, sports chrono stopped working... paid new 150,000 fully optioned... Yes immensely well engineered and good quality products form Porsche. By the way if you go to porsche blogs these are problems that are seen in many Porsche cars especially Caymans." <(You wrote this)

2. don't a Ferrari I am not naive, if you brake anything will cost you a testicle and I am not a billionaire

What happened to your Ferrari?
"I have owned a Ferrari and also hand few fit and finish problems,." <(You wrote this)

3. Don't have a Huracan

What happened to your Lambo?
"Yeah perhaps on my 2ss I will bite the dust... but next to my second car a Huracan... you will bite the dust..." <(You wrote this)

4. Pretty much get a car once a year but I have slowed down due to pandemic economics

Is the medical field getting pretty slow during this pandemic?

5. the Porsche dealer wanted 3,000 for the 60,000 mile maintenance, my last Porsche for sure

I think they'll do just fine without you.

6. All cars have warranty when you buy them new.

Then why was it costing you "a testicle or a kidney" to repair them? Isn't that what warranties are for?

Do you have any more questions?

Why was your account suspended on the Camaro5 board?

 

[Dodger Blue]

Detective McNulty has entered the chat.

 

[Slip_Angle]

Genesis made the same mistake that Cadillac did w/ the ATS and sacrificed interior/trunk space for optimal handling.

WB -
111.6" - G70
114.4" - Stinger
118.5" - G80

The majority of buyers in the segment would rather have interior/trunk space and sacrifice some of the tossabiity.

Disagree. I prioritize handling over trunk space. That's why I have a G70. Love the Stinger but I'm glad the G70 is different and met my needs.

 

[Lawrence Williams]

Disagree. I prioritize handling over trunk space. That's why I have a G70. Love the Stinger but I'm glad the G70 is different and met my needs.

Not being mean but why are you here championing another car? Cousins yes , but still different enough......

 

[Revvdmedia]

I don't really know how to describe it, but there are a bunch of little things that make the BMW feel more refined. This includes the behavior over bumps at low speed, fewer squeaks/rattles, better infotainment and stereo (subjective, just imho), the sturdier feel of the leather, and so forth. I wouldn't use the word "luxury" as the bucket for my dissatisfaction. The F25 generation of X3 that I had was not very luxurious. I'd probably just say that the Stinger doesn't feel as "solid" and "refined".

I concur with this. Granted I have only had my M240i for about 3 months now, but within that same time frame my Stinger developed the horrible sunroof popping, and continued to develop more noises thereafter. As of now, so far, the BMW only has a couple noises, none of which are a huge concern yet - little ticks in the plastic accent part on the dash due to heat/cool expansion contraction, goes away after a few miles, and a little tick in the door frame, pretty sure it's those weird hard felt-like seals that German cars use. A shot of Gummi Pflege seems to make it subside for a while.

Overall though, the BMW has a few things that feel more refined like the way the back end thuds over bumps (substantially less boomy any more solid sounding than the Stinger). Also the handling is just more planted feeling in the BMW, the Stinger had a weird loose squirminess to it, the back end never felt quite right from the factory, almost sloppy feeling. The interior of the BMW has some higher quality materials like more soft touch surfaces and a little less hard plastic.

The BMW (2 Series) loses to the Stinger in features (missing quite a few things), the Harman Kardon stereo doesn't sound as good as the Stinger HK 15 speaker system, and the interior design is very spartan, not very interesting. The BMW is also not a value proposition whatsoever, I feel it was about 10K more MSRP than it should have been, all aspects considered.

I'm happier with my 2 series than I ever was with the Stinger both from the (so far) quality standpoint and the fact it's more of what I really wanted - a small coupe, RWD biased with a great sounding engine/exhaust. I will never argue the value proposition the Stinger brings, it is an amazing value, but those highly in tune with their cars and who have driven a good many would feel where the corners were cut in the Stinger. It's all perspective and what is important to you!

 

[YEH]

Disagree. I prioritize handling over trunk space. That's why I have a G70. Love the Stinger but I'm glad the G70 is different and met my needs.

But as I had stated, buyers like you are in the minority.

Despite the lux nameplate and the G70 being newer, a more mainstream body-style and a bargain relative to the Stinger here in the US, the Stinger still outsells the G70.

Anyhow, there's a report from a Korean financial publication which states that the upcoming GV70's engine lineup will consist of the 2.0T, 2.5T and 3.3TT.

If accurate, this lends credence to reports that the Stinger (and G70) won't be getting the upgrade to the 3.5TT at least for the time being.

 

[GenesisG70]

But you did have a 911. Right? With the same exact issues as your 981?
"My 2017 911 had several issues daily drove it in sunny Florida and the door panels were warping, head liner sagged, sports chrono stopped working... paid new 150,000 fully optioned... Yes immensely well engineered and good quality products form Porsche. By the way if you go to porsche blogs these are problems that are seen in many Porsche cars especially Caymans." <(You wrote this)


What happened to your Ferrari?
"I have owned a Ferrari and also hand few fit and finish problems,." <(You wrote this)


What happened to your Lambo?
"Yeah perhaps on my 2ss I will bite the dust... but next to my second car a Huracan... you will bite the dust..." <(You wrote this)


Is the medical field getting pretty slow during this pandemic?


I think they'll do just fine without you.


Then why was it costing you "a testicle or a kidney" to repair them? Isn't that what warranties are for?


Why was your account suspended on the Camaro5 board?

LOL I said currently I don't have a 911 or a Ferrari, when you are broke and have lots of envy you spend a lots of time staking people.

 

[143GovernaleBobo]

staking

Interestingly, I've seen that word used twice in the last 30 minutes on the forum.

Also interesting is that both times it was spelled incorrectly.

...just a small observation. Back to y'all's argument.

 

[Slip_Angle]

But as I had stated, buyers like you are in the minority.

Despite the lux nameplate and the G70 being newer, a more mainstream body-style and a bargain relative to the Stinger here in the US, the Stinger still outsells the G70.

Anyhow, there's a report from a Korean financial publication which states that the upcoming GV70's engine lineup will consist of the 2.0T, 2.5T and 3.3TT.

If accurate, this lends credence to reports that the Stinger (and G70) won't be getting the upgrade to the 3.5TT at least for the time being.

If trunk/interior space was the deterministic factor for sales, the Audi A5 would have outsold the A4 in 2019 and the BMW 4 series would have out sold the 3 series. Both of which didn't occur. I think it's more complex and the reason I disagreed is not that you don't have the right to an opinion.. more the statement that Genesis made a mistake and the dream team of Albert Biermann and company don't know auto sales. I would also note that the G70 is newer and less known not only as a model but also Genesis as a brand as a whole. Time will tell but as I said, the Stinger is a great car and so is the G70.

Peace

 

[stingerbeagle]

the BMW has a few things that feel more refined like the way the back end thuds over bumps (substantially less boomy any more solid sounding than the Stinger).

Yes, this exactly. The way the back end thuds over bumps is one of the things I dislike the most. I’m actually trying to decide now whether to give up on the Stinger or try investing in some smaller wheels. Some people don’t even notice this, but it really annoys me. It’s not a stiffness/sportiness issue (my previous car was stiffer). It’s just a lack of refinement.

The BMW (2 Series) loses to the Stinger in features

I realize now that I made the Stinger purchase based on a “checklist” mentality which was a mistake. The Stinger (and Kias in general) will usually win this kind of contest. I should have just emphasized a subjective evaluation of “how does this car make me feel”. Lesson learned.

 

[YEH]

If trunk/interior space was the deterministic factor for sales, the Audi A5 would have outsold the A4 in 2019 and the BMW 4 series would have out sold the 3 series. Both of which didn't occur. I think it's more complex and the reason I disagreed is not that you don't have the right to an opinion.. more the statement that Genesis made a mistake and the dream team of Albert Biermann and company don't know auto sales. I would also note that the G70 is newer and less known not only as a model but also Genesis as a brand as a whole. Time will tell but as I said, the Stinger is a great car and so is the G70.

1. The liftback body-style is more of a niche body-style compared to the traditional 4-door sedan.
2. There's a $5.5k premium for the base A5 over the base A4.
3. Unlike for the G70, the A4 actually has more than adequate rear passenger/trunk space for the segment; one can fit a reverse facing child seat w/ no problem.

All these factors play into why the A4 outsells the A5 Sportback, as well as why the 3 Series outsells the 4 Series GC.

Being the traditional (more in demand) bodystyle, as well as being a lux nameplate, the G70 (like for the 3 Series and A4) should outsell the liftback counterpart, but it doesn't.

The 3 Series and A4 (as well as the C Class) also far outsell their mid-segment siblings (5 Series, etc.).

The G70, otoh, has never attained the sales figures of the G80, and sales of the new G80 should surpass that of the G70.

In addition, the best the similarly cramped ATS did in sales was 38.3k in 2013.

The 2G CTS (which the ATS replaced) sold 55k in 2011 and sold nearly 59k on 2008.

The CTS regularly sold in the 40-50k; aside from that 1 year, the ATS never broke 30k in sales w/ sales quickly fading.

 

[narsnail]

Maybe a Golf R, more likely my 06 Civic Si.

 

[Dodger Blue]

Interestingly, I've seen that word used twice in the last 30 minutes on the forum.

Also interesting is that both times it was spelled incorrectly.

...just a small observation. Back to y'all's argument.

Maybe he's a vampire ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[Slip_Angle]

1. The liftback body-style is more of a niche body-style compared to the traditional 4-door sedan.
2. There's a $5.5k premium for the base A5 over the base A4.
3. Unlike for the G70, the A4 actually has more than adequate rear passenger/trunk space for the segment; one can fit a reverse facing child seat w/ no problem.

All these factors play into why the A4 outsells the A5 Sportback, as well as why the 3 Series outsells the 4 Series GC.

Being the traditional (more in demand) bodystyle, as well as being a lux nameplate, the G70 (like for the 3 Series and A4) should outsell the liftback counterpart, but it doesn't.

The 3 Series and A4 (as well as the C Class) also far outsell their mid-segment siblings (5 Series, etc.).

The G70, otoh, has never attained the sales figures of the G80, and sales of the new G80 should surpass that of the G70.

In addition, the best the similarly cramped ATS did in sales was 38.3k in 2013.

The 2G CTS (which the ATS replaced) sold 55k in 2011 and sold nearly 59k on 2008.

The CTS regularly sold in the 40-50k; aside from that 1 year, the ATS never broke 30k in sales w/ sales quickly fading.

I'm not sure throwing in other factors really matters, more just muddying the waters. You original statement was that Genesis made a mistake and built the G70 too small and what the segment wants is more space... The footprint of the car is basically the same as the 3 series.. Was that a mistake? If that were true people would buy more A5's and 4 series regardless of price or niche body styles. 2019 G70 sales were approximately 12,000 and G80 sales approximately 7,100.

I often fit a rear facing child seat in my G70 and don't find the car cramped at all. Yeah, there isn't a ton of rear seat room but I don't sit back there and for 95% of my trips don't even have passengers...

 

[SafetyPilotCal]

Back to back "fatal test drive" stories. If people don't want to buy this car they had best stay away from behind the wheel.

It was absolutely the same for me. I wasn't even seriously considering a new car. Test drove one just for the hell of it. Came home and seriously crunched the numbers, plus the fiance was pushing me toward something safer . Ended up finding an identical one for a much better price 100mi away the next day. E-mailed the salesman and said if you match the price, I'll buy tonight. And I did.

Little over 24 hours from test drive to in my garage.