Auto shut off randomly turns on and off

[Alicia]

I have a 2020 three week old Stinger GT with less than 1000 miles. I’ve taken the car back to service twice already having issues with the auto shut off. Tomorrow I’m taking it back again.

I referred to the owners manual. The car is in Comfort mode. At start up the light is off which means auto shut off is on. When I press the brake the orange A with a cone appears on the dash. Randomly the car turns the auto shut off, off. A green A in a cone appears on the dash. When I put the car in park, the orange light is on which means it shut the auto shut off off again.

Has anyone else experienced this? The dealer doesn’t know what the problem is. It’s annoying that it randomly shuts itself on and off.

If anyone on this forum could help, I’d greatly appreciate it.

Alicia

 

[nhcowboy28]

Oh ma guuurd.

 

[Alicia]

Oh ma guuurd.

Do you know why this is randomly happening without me physically pressing the button to turn the auto shut off off?

 

[RedCal]

There is a long discussion on this... there are about a dozen different reasons for it to not turn of the engine when stopped, ranging from lower charge on the battery to having the fan on the AC/heat set high.. 99% sure there is nothing wrong

 

[Alicia]

There is a long discussion on this... there are about a dozen different reasons for it to not turn of the engine when stopped, ranging from lower charge on the battery to having the fan on the AC/heat set high.. 99% sure there is nothing wrong

On a brand new car? I just want it either ON or OFF but not it shutting itself off randomly. How can that be normal. It’s just annoying. I’ll search all the threads. The service department told me it’s my imagination so I recorded it happening while driving in a parking lot.

 

[MerlintheMad]

On a brand new car? I just want it either ON or OFF but not it shutting itself off randomly. How can that be normal. It’s just annoying. I’ll search all the threads. The service department told me it’s my imagination so I recorded it happening while driving in a parking lot.

Are you saying that you can turn ISG OFF (the light is on), and it comes on by itself? Because if you are leaving ISG ON (light is off), there is no way that you'll get this to work all the time. Most of the time, it seems to be fickle in the extreme. I have never used it; find the feature annoying as heck and mostly feckless vis-à-vis saving gas, because too many conditions result in the engine turning back on pretty quickly.

 

[RedCal]

It isn't random, it is detailed in the OM, and discussed ad nauseum in the forum here

 

[Alicia]

Are you saying that you can turn ISG (Idle Stop and Go) OFF (the light is on), and it comes on by itself? Because if you are leaving ISG (Idle Stop and Go) ON (light is off), there is no way that you'll get this to work all the time. Most of the time, it seems to be fickle in the extreme. I have never used it; find the feature annoying as heck and mostly feckless vis-à-vis saving gas, because too many conditions result in the engine turning back on pretty quickly.

I never touch it. It turns itself on randomly when I press the break. When it’s on, the orange light is off. When I take my foot off the break. The orange light turns on and therefore the auto shut off is off.

I don’t understand why it shuts itself off or why. And I’ve found when the car is in Eco mode it’s even more erratic. I don’t get it. I don’t touch anything. It seems like there is some short or something. The only think the dealership has to offer is it’s in my head. That it’s operating normally. Normal isn’t a feature randomly turning features off and on without manually every doing so.

 

[Alicia]

It isn't random, it is detailed in the OM, and discussed ad nauseum in the forum here

well I’m new here. So I apologize. I’ve read the OM. I am not manually shutting it off or turning it back on. I don’t touch the button. Depending on the driving mode it changes as well. I have a 2 year lease. I’ll just deal with it for the next 24 months

 

[MerlintheMad]

well I’m new here. So I apologize. I’ve read the OM. I am not manually shutting it off or turning it back on. I don’t touch the button. Depending on the driving mode it changes as well. I have a 2 year lease. I’ll just deal with it for the next 24 months

Now I am amused, at your expense I am afraid. This is my first-ever brand new car. I came from a '94 Voyager, with a manual transmission no less: twelve and a half years I had that old school ride: my granddaughter didn't even know how to put her window up and down because she had never seen a crank before. Well, I get the GT1 AWD Stinger, and one of the very first things I noticed was this engine shutting off at traffic stops thing. WTH!? My wife and I were flummoxed. I was reading the OM of course, assiduously. When I got to the part about ISG it was like alien wisdom to me: I had never heard of such a fangled thang. Now alerted, I paid closer attention, wondering if this was a good/cool thing. Right away I disliked it, now that I knew it was deliberate, and I had no control over when and where and how long it would "save gas". Heh. My decision was to get in the habit of pushing the ISG button, which (counter-intuitively) turns the light ON, while turning ISG OFF. And, 99% of the time, I do remember to turn it OFF. I have no use for it. And it seems that neither do you. Make pushing that little ISG button the first thing you do after staring the engine.

 

[Alicia]

I’ve tried that. I push the button which would turn it off, one would think. When I press the brake, the light goes off, which means the system is back on and the car shuts off at the next stop.

this is why I think something is wrong with mine. If I shut it off, the car turns it back on. If I start off with the system on, the car shuts it off. That’s the problem I’m having. It’s randomly either shutting itself off or turning itself back on.

I give up.

 

[87and66]

Can we see the video. I’m confused .

Just to clarify:

When the light by the button is orange, idle stop and go is turned off. Meaning the car will not shut itself off.

When the light by the button is off, idle stop and go is on. However, the engine will not always shut off. You may come to a stop and see an orange A with a circle around it. This means the proper conditions are not met to shut the car off, BUT idle stop and go is not shut off.

Also, when you see that orange A, the light by the button will also be orange (comes on by itself when you stop moving). This is normal. When you take your foot off the brake, both the orange A and the orange light by the button will disappear.

However, if you see the orange A and the light came on by the button, and then you press the button, the light will stay on by the button but the A will disappear. Because then, idle stop and go is actually turned off. Hopefully that all makes sense. Not sure if you’re seeing that, or something else.

 

[MerlintheMad]

I’ve tried that. I push the button which would turn it off, one would think. When I press the brake, the light goes off, which means the system is back on and the car shuts off at the next stop.

this is why I think something is wrong with mine. If I shut it off, the car turns it back on. If I start off with the system on, the car shuts it off. That’s the problem I’m having. It’s randomly either shutting itself off or turning itself back on.

I give up.

Ah, that is different. A couple of times, I've had my ISG button light refuse to cooperate: it has remained on (meaning ISG is OFF), even when I see the amber "A" in a circle come on the instrument cluster. I didn't do that!? So, I reach down and push the ISG button OFF, but the light stays lit up, i.e. ISG should be OFF; but the amber "A" is there when I stop: oddly, this is only a visual: the engine does not stop (I've never seen this happen with a green "A"). That is the closest I can describe from my own experience, to what you're experiencing. If you turn your ISG OFF, and applying the brake turns the ISG button light off (ISG back ON), then that is a first: I've never heard of anyone experiencing that before. I have a suggestion: ISG, even when engaged, does not function if you apply light brake pressure: if you come to a stop and hold the car with minimal brake pedal pressure, ISG will not engage, even when ON. Try it. (And, if your issue is as you describe, then take a tech for a ride and show him.)

 

[Alicia]

Can we see the video. I’m confused .

Just to clarify:

When the light by the button is orange, idle stop and go is turned off. Meaning the car will not shut itself off.

When the light by the button is off, idle stop and go is on. However, the engine will not always shut off. You may come to a stop and see an orange A with a circle around it. This means the proper conditions are not met to shut the car off, BUT idle stop and go is not shut off.

Also, when you see that orange A, the light by the button will also be orange (comes on by itself when you stop moving). This is normal. When you take your foot off the brake, both the orange A and the orange light by the button will disappear.

However, if you see the orange A and the light came on by the button, and then you press the button, the light will stay on by the button but the A will disappear. Because then, idle stop and go is actually turned off. Hopefully that all makes sense. Not sure if you’re seeing that, or something else.

Yes. Exactly. But I don’t touch the button at all and the orange light on the console comes on meaning the system is off. And I’m my case sometimes the light A on the dash is GREEN not orange.

I just finished reading the OM on this and it said if it blinks 5x it’s malfunctioning which mine does.

I’m going to take it back tomorrow. Show them my videos. Drive the car with them in it and actually show them the lights and everything else. It’s a ridiculous feature I’m my opinion. It saves no gas and is just an annoyance especially when it’s malfunctioning.

I really appreciate you taking the time to communicate with me.

 

[RedCal]

well I’m new here. So I apologize. I’ve read the OM. I am not manually shutting it off or turning it back on. I don’t touch the button. Depending on the driving mode it changes as well. I have a 2 year lease. I’ll just deal with it for the next 24 months

I apologize if it came off as snarky, blinking is a malfunction, all others are a bit too complicated really, makes it difficult to explain, So it seams defective. .. too cold outside -doesn't stop the engine. .. what is"too cold"? Same as too hot, the OM descriptions are too vague... plus IMHO it's a useless feature

Kia Stinger Auto Engine Stop At Traffic Light

 

[87and66]

And I’m my case sometimes the light A on the dash is GREEN not orange.

I just finished reading the OM on this and it said if it blinks 5x it’s malfunctioning which mine does.

It’s a ridiculous feature I’m my opinion.

It should be green when the car actually shuts off. But if it’s green any other time, something definitely isn’t right. Blinking of course is not good. I hope they get that fixed for you quickly. I agree. The feature is annoying. I turn it off immediately every time I get in the car. Just something manufacturers do to claim a mile per gallon more on their cars.

 

[Legendsk]

This horse is dead. No matter how much you continue beating it - it's still gonna be dead.

There must be dozens of threads about ISG and the weird things it does. There are simply so many inputs to the ISG system and so many combinations of different conditions that must be met for the ISG to show an 'OFF' amber light, a green / amber / none, icon in the HUD, a green / amber / none, icon in the LCD panel, a green / amber / none, icon in the tach. {I've never seen the ISG icon appear in the speedometer, but I won't be at all surprised if some day one does.} When all its conditions are met, it works great and may save a little gas. When the conditions aren't met, it quits stopping the engine. Kia dealers have enough trouble trying to change the oil. Deciding whether or not the ISG is working properly is so far above their pay grade, it is pointless to harass them about it.

Please just accept it as one of the charming eccentricities of the car, and enjoy what a great vehicle it is.

 

[ScottM]

This thread made me LOL!!! Not because of the issues, but because of exactly that... it's been talked about so much and how odd it can be. I have it do some freaky stuff, but I got me a system...I turn up the radio and ignore looking at it. Unless the A blinks at me frantically, then I dance in my seat (I jk). But our idle stoppy thingy is just in it's own world sometimes.

 

[Ceramicgrey gt1]

I have a 2020 three week old Stinger GT with less than 1000 miles. I’ve taken the car back to service twice already having issues with the auto shut off. Tomorrow I’m taking it back again.

I referred to the owners manual. The car is in Comfort mode. At start up the light is off which means auto shut off is on. When I press the brake the orange A with a cone appears on the dash. Randomly the car turns the auto shut off, off. A green A in a cone appears on the dash. When I put the car in park, the orange light is on which means it shut the auto shut off off again.

Has anyone else experienced this? The dealer doesn’t know what the problem is. It’s annoying that it randomly shuts itself on and off.

If anyone on this forum could help, I’d greatly appreciate it.

Alicia

 

[Ceramicgrey gt1]

Had my car for three weeks now I turn that switch off bc I dont like it I get out get back in my car and the switch turns on by itself in wth i turned it off. Thought i was the only one experiencing this issue.