3.3TT Mishimoto's Stinger GT Intercooler Kit R&D Thread

[xot1]

Agency power is an inferior design to the big boys (Mishimoto, Wagner, BMS, JT).

 

[Hally83]

Agency power is an inferior design to the big boys (Mishimoto, Wagner, BMS, JT).

Most of the ones you mentioned there actually go above the lower grille anyways. I have the JT CAI but am looking at the AP intercooler as it looks to be good bang for buck and uses the space well in the lower grille. Just isn't much data on it's cooling performance.

Also cutting up my front bar area isn't something I want to do. Keen on a direct replacement intercooler tbh rather than replacing all that piping which to me doesn't seem that restrictive. (Happy for Mishimoto to prove me wrong with data)

 

[Mishimoto]

Hmmm, so 8whp gain on a stage 1 tune from...?

I'm actually more interested in IATs being logged, to be honest. I do like that it's not a massive IC, so I'm hoping it hits the balance of size/weight, and performance. I'm still not a fan of it being a full kit, though, and the pricing is starting to look pretty high considering most of that pricing is paying for the R&D, lol

Part of that power gain is from removing restrictions that are caused by the small stock piping diameters. There's two key parts in improving an intercooler setup, cooling power and flow, which we improved on with the piping kit, along with the overhaul of the end tanks.

The power figure mention in the video is just a small part of the bigger picture though, we have PLENTY more data on the way

That all said, the posted video is essentially a teaser of what's to come, because we have PLENTY more data and information to provide. Power figures are just one small part of the results

Stage 1 map with only 307 whp? Am I missing something?

My mistake, that was from our stock tune run. We saw similar gains on top of the stage 1 run. We were right about at 350hp on the tune

-Nick

 

[xot1]

We would love to see the gains on a 450+whp car.

 

[ZyroXZ2]

Part of that power gain is from removing restrictions that are caused by the small stock piping diameters. There's two key parts in improving an intercooler setup, cooling power and flow, which we improved on with the piping kit, along with the overhaul of the end tanks.

The power figure mention in the video is just a small part of the bigger picture though, we have PLENTY more data on the way

That all said, the posted video is essentially a teaser of what's to come, because we have PLENTY more data and information to provide. Power figures are just one small part of the results



My mistake, that was from our stock tune run. We saw similar gains on top of the stage 1 run. We were right about at 350hp on the tune

-Nick

I'm going to look like I'm arguing, now, but I'm really just out to find the most balanced IC I can, so there are some thoughts to consider:

- There are 470+WHP cars out there running on stock IC setups. The factory setup really isn't that restrictive on its own.
- Enlarging the merge pipe may be doing a lot less than it appears. The real restriction is the turbo outlet diameter, and as long as none of the piping after it offers a lower total volume diameter cross section (including at the merge where each side turns into a semi-circle), there really isn't a ton of restriction outside of the IC itself. You might only be gaining 1-2WHP from the merge being enlarged.

I think people mistake me for a naysayer or negative Nancy, but in reality, I just like knowing what I'm buying and what value it has in terms of my expectations for what I pay. I often look to reviews of products outside of the manufacturer testing, too. With the Stinger being such a low volume car, it's a lot harder... So I have to be far more scrutinizing to pick what I *THINK* is providing the best solution. And in the case of an IC, the best is not always the biggest, which is why I continue to have my eye on your product despite having qualms with it being an entire turbo-to-TB kit.

 

[techguy888]

The primary purpose of an intercooler is to reduce IAT. Removing flow bottlenecks can increase power as well, but this is a secondary concern. If you notice your vehicle slowing down after back-to-back runs or taking off slowly from a light on a hot summer day, this is where an upgraded intercooler comes into play. At a certain point the stock intercooler does begin to bottleneck when you start shoving enough boost in the system, so eventually an upgraded intercooler becomes necessary but at near-stock power levels the difference is less pronounced.

Having owned a high horsepower turbocharged vehicle previously (450WHP Subaru STI), I can say that an upgraded intercooler is very nice to have.

 

[xot1]

Enlarging the merge pipe has a significant impact on performance. I know it because some people (usually full bolt on) do it with custom piping here in Korea. And they do it not because they think it is cool or because they saw Mishimoto's blog, they do it because it works.
You guys haven't experienced it yet in the US so you think it is a minor upgrade and keep making theories.

 

[robz32]

As far as I can see, there are at least 2 other intercooler kits that come with charge piping and the prices seem comparable.

Maintec: $1,100
-does not improve the OEM merge pipe, does include all other hot and cold charge piping
Jonny Tig: $1,895+shipping
-improved merge, larger cold sided charge piping, keeps stock hot sided piping (other than the merge) which is probably a good thing (ie keeping the smaller diameter).


I'd argue that Mishi's kit is better engineered than the Maintec kit. I really like the JT kit's charge piping changes with the new merge, but I hate their intercooler, it's way too tall and the end tanks are a little too wide (much like almost all aftermarket IC's we see here). Anyway, considering all of this, I think Mishi's kit is priced with good value. Though I can understand only wanting the intercooler without the charge piping.

Your pricing on the JT is wrong. What you see on their website is AUD, when you convert that to USD it comes out to $1274 (at today's exchange rate), which IMO is a hell of a deal.

Source: I own the JT intercooler.

 

[Toddasaurus]

Your pricing on the JT is wrong. What you see on their website is AUD, when you convert that to USD it comes out to $1274 (at today's exchange rate), which IMO is a hell of a deal.

Source: I own the JT intercooler.

Ah, cool. I assumed that but I couldn't find out for sure when I was poking around on their site.

 

[djerickd]

Will you guys offer the new turbo merge pipe by itself outside of the kit?

 

[Nomad76]

Will you guys offer the new turbo merge pipe by itself outside of the kit?

The geometry of the system is unique. Thus, I can’t image that any component of the kit is useful independently.

 

[GT2Chuck]

Can't wait for the pre-order to go down *thumbs up*

 

[Nomad76]

Can't wait for the pre-order to go down *thumbs up*

Unfortunately, they offered a delivery date of early July. So, it the presale probably won’t be offered for a couple months.

 

[GT2Chuck]

nothing better than getting an upgraded intercooler mid summer

 

[Toddasaurus]

nothing better than getting an upgraded intercooler mid summer

How about getting it in spring instead? That'd be better. Haha.

 

[G-686876]

Could Mishimoto give us a ballpark figure as to when they plan to start the preorders?

 

[GT2Chuck]

If they are expecting shipping/availability in July, i'd expect pre orders to start 2-3 months early. Surely they have to properly plan for materials needed and production.

 

[Vladec]

So is the mishimoto setup a direct replacement or will it require hacking parts of our car off to fit?

 

[Socalstinga]

I don’t know but I need an IC for sure... back to back to back to back 0-60 runs got my temps pretty high the other night and it was only 52 degrees