Door Frame Ticking / Squeaking Elimination

[westcoastGT]

I looked at it this past weekend and I believe it is coming from the back door. It seems it is between the front and back door. I have ordered the Shinetsu grease and will post the results here.

a little goes a long way . I founfd the best application was using a Q Tip to apply the grease in spots around the rubber then use surgical style gloves and spread it thoroughly with your pointing finger . good luck

 

[Revvdmedia]

I looked at it this past weekend and I believe it is coming from the back door. It seems it is between the front and back door. I have ordered the Shinetsu grease and will post the results here.

The ticking that remains on my car sounds like it comes right from the B pillar, but not from the pillar but the doors. I've tapped on the seal that is on the front edge of the driver side rear door and wiggled that seal around and it makes a rather loud tapping sound. I've come to suspect this seal might be the reason for my ticking, going over bumps causes the doors to move, which moves that seal, which causes the ticking sound.

I would do the surgery myself, but I don't know how this seal is attached to the door and I don't want to break it. I'll let the dealer take car of that one when it goes in for Service #1 soon.

 

[westcoastGT]

The ticking that remains on my car sounds like it comes right from the B pillar, but not from the pillar but the doors. I've tapped on the seal that is on the front edge of the driver side rear door and wiggled that seal around and it makes a rather loud tapping sound. I've come to suspect this seal might be the reason for my ticking, going over bumps causes the doors to move, which moves that seal, which causes the ticking sound.

I would do the surgery myself, but I don't know how this seal is attached to the door and I don't want to break it. I'll let the dealer take car of that one when it goes in for Service #1 soon.

.....have you opened a file with Kia Canada yet , if not I think it would be helpful to get more attention focussed on the fix , it certainly helped me .

 

[Revvdmedia]

.....have you opened a file with Kia Canada yet , if not I think it would be helpful to get more attention focussed on the fix , it certainly helped me .

I have not yet. I wasn't sure if the best order of things was to get the dealer to look at it first, then escalate to Kia Canada, or just make the call before the dealer visit. I'm due for service in about 1 month so I figured I could stick out the annoyance until my scheduled visit.

On top of that fact, I'm not sure if all dealers comply with the "Stinger technician" protocol, so I assumed I would need to book ahead of time to make sure the Stinger "guy" was there to actually look at it. I figured if I could line everything up, I would get the smoothest transaction. I prefer not to have too many dealer visits because of the obvious inconvenience factor, plus they keep give me a base model Kia Sportage, and I'm way too spoiled with the Stinger to rock that thing lol.

For a visual, this is the seal that is causing my ticking. Just lightly tapping on it with my finger causes a rather loud ticking.

 

[Via Chicago]

Just recently I've started to hear a noise coming from the bottom of my passenger side door. It only happens when my speed exceeds 70 mph. It sounds like there's a bit of fine sand/gravel rattling inside the bottom of the door frame. On another forum, I saw a user post a similar problem. The fix there was to make sure the panels on the under side of the chassis were seated properly. I'll give this a try tonight.

 

[westcoastGT]

Just recently I've started to hear a noise coming from the bottom of my passenger side door. It only happens when my speed exceeds 70 mph. It sounds like there's a bit of fine sand/gravel rattling inside the bottom of the door frame. On another forum, I saw a user post a similar problem. The fix there was to make sure the panels on the under side of the chassis were seated properly. I'll give this a try tonight.

also could be real sand or dirt coming through the front vents from the tires ......................check out add mesh to the vent holes

 

[Revvdmedia]

I have not yet. I wasn't sure if the best order of things was to get the dealer to look at it first, then escalate to Kia Canada, or just make the call before the dealer visit. I'm due for service in about 1 month so I figured I could stick out the annoyance until my scheduled visit.

On top of that fact, I'm not sure if all dealers comply with the "Stinger technician" protocol, so I assumed I would need to book ahead of time to make sure the Stinger "guy" was there to actually look at it. I figured if I could line everything up, I would get the smoothest transaction. I prefer not to have too many dealer visits because of the obvious inconvenience factor, plus they keep give me a base model Kia Sportage, and I'm way too spoiled with the Stinger to rock that thing lol.

For a visual, this is the seal that is causing my ticking. Just lightly tapping on it with my finger causes a rather loud ticking.

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I should update the fact that the seal I thought was causing noises was in fact NOT the culprit.

To date, I originally have the felt behind the plastic, spacers in the door latches and lubricant on the seals. The combination of these has not fixed all the ticking. I've since removed the spacers from the door latches and found this has created two situations - 1) The doors CONSTANTLY tick over the slightest imperfections when the car interior is below freezing. Once the interior is a tolerable temperature, this goes away. I did not experience this with the spacers in the door latches. 2) Removal of the spacers in the latches seems to have reduced the ticking some over hard bumps compared to having the spacers installed.

I think the order of operations for me henceforth would be to have the sunroof looked at again first. The sunroof is making popping sounds, and westcoastGT said his sunroof repair also fixed the door ticking noises. I figure it's worth a shot since I need both issues fixed anyway. Who knows what kind of attention my sunroof needs...lubes didn't seem to do the trick.

 

[StingaGT]

Folks in Korea have been handling this by applying felt tape or silicone tape as shone below:






Some claims it worked and some claims it doesn't work..

This noise is really annoying...

 

[westcoastGT]

Folks in Korea have been handling this by applying felt tape or silicone tape as shone below:


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Some claims it worked and some claims it doesn't work..

This noise is really annoying...

We have some members in Canada that have done this in early days as well

 

[Marc Collins]

Folks in Korea have been handling this by applying felt tape or silicone tape as shone below:


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Some claims it worked and some claims it doesn't work..

This noise is really annoying...

What type of fancy tape is that in the second pic?

 

[westcoastGT]

What type of fancy tape is that in the second pic?

its basically Hockey Tape ................

 

[Marc Collins]

its basically Hockey Tape ................

OK, it looks more like a hockey tape-Velcro hybrid. Just wondering if it was a commercial product?

 

[StingaGT]

OK, it looks more like a hockey tape-Velcro hybrid. Just wondering if it was a commercial product?

Try searching felt tape. It's a bit thicker than hockey tape with more fabric. But my main concern with putting a tape at that spot like shown in picture is that the area does get wet and it will require good maintenance. I tried applying dupont silicone lube and the noise completely went away. The bad part is that dupont lube doesn't seem to remain much after car wash. So I am looking to try 3M's paste type silicone lubricant which seems to be more durable on car washes.

Advance Auto Parts - Down for Maintenance

 

[StingaGT]

This is starting to drive me really crazy.
I've tried 3 different kinds of rubber lubes and door seals on all closures continues to make noise, especially from the sun roof.
I have no faith with dealership, but I'm thinking to just take it in so that I make it on record.

 

[Tonkabob]

This is starting to drive me really crazy.
I've tried 3 different kinds of rubber lubes and door seals on all closures continues to make noise, especially from the sun roof.
I have no faith with dealership, but I'm thinking to just take it in so that I make it on record.

Be sure to lube the hard rubber door seal i dont bother with the soft rubber door seal. Keep the sun roof shade closed and wait for the sunroof tsb.

 

[leecm]

I am having these issues and would like to get them fixed. Shouldn't KIA be responsible for this type of fix?

 

[Tonkabob]

I am having these issues and would like to get them fixed. Shouldn't KIA be responsible for this type of fix?

They should be but many people have tried for a sun roof squeak fix and failed. Its worth a try but may take many visits with no results.

 

[Last Lemming Alive]

Question- has anybody pulled the plastic trim around the door and tried using Teflon grease on the plastic connectors and back of trim in lieu of tape. I would imagine the ticking is related to plastic rubbing against the frame. The grease (and it wouldn’t take much) would seem to eliminate that issue.

 

[leecm]

They should be but many people have tried for a sun roof squeak fix and failed. Its worth a try but may take many visits with no results.

These issues are pretty ridiculous for a car this expensive. Kia still has made some great strides over the past several years but they still have a ways to go in the quality department. I probably should have just got another Lexus.

 

[Last Lemming Alive]

Ok, I've been doing my own digging into this subject and I can say this chassis is about a rigid as a limp noodle. Sad but true.

While others may have noted the same or similar to what I am gong to say, l'm still going to do it for posterity's sake.

Here are my findings on my car - though I suspect most are similar:

1. the sound comes from the seal / plastic interface - not just the plastic trim. If you put you finger between the seal and the plastic and drive over uneven surfaces you can physically feel the door moving in/out and up/down. It's a LOT of movement. It is this movement that makes the "ticking" sound - not all of it, but a good portion. That's why lubing the seals works, it allows for silent movement thereby eliminating "stiction". At least my undersanding of what stiction is. If I'm off, you still get the point. BTW, its a bandage, not a real solution to the problem.\

It might be that sub-bracing could help, but I believe the door still moves freely on hinges - on all three axis - and therefore wont cure the problem. The real fix is eliminating the door free movement. I see that people have added shims to the latch "tighten" up the door. I'm not sure why this would work since the door latch mechanism catches on the side. By shimming out the latch on the body the door latch would appear to "catch" at the same relative 3d point in space, that is unless what your trying to do is cause a friction fit between the latch and the door and this seems like a poor solution. Of course if I'm wrong on how the door catches then my point is moot. However, if I'm right then it would seem a tighter door closure might be accomplished by moving latch (on the car frame) inward so that the door is pulled tighter. Whether this works or not needs to be tested. Not sure how this could be accomplished without manufacturing and aftermarket latch to get horizontal slots to allow adjustment while maintaining safety. Another thought might be to "wrap" the latch with a metal collar that would effectively create a large diameter an thus causing the door latch to move in further and reduce movement in all three axis, but this would have to be very thin material for the door to work and it might, no mater how thin the material, be too much for fluid operation of the door mechanism.

Finally, up/down movement must be eliminated as well. Regardless of latch position, it the door mechanism has too much play and allows for any movement then there might not be any fix without fixing that first. Just some thoughts. I stand to be corrected on all points.

2. the plastic trim. I pulled the trim and I started with lubing all the points with teflon grease on the backside and painted door frame. It didn't do much of anything but make a mess. Cleaned that off and applied baseball wrap. BB wrap is relatively thin but "puffy" and would allow the plastic edges/ridges on the backside of the trim to dig in and grip, thereby stopping and absorbing any lateral motion on the door frame that causes any squeaks. This alone eliminated a lot to the initial "ticking" sound, but then item #1 above reared it's head.

So, solutions to eliminate the sound completely - none really, at least none that I have tested. A path to possibly follow:
1. tape the trim (done - worked a bit)
2. sub-frame brace - may help, may not. Adding braces might allow the door to move more since the body may not be moving in sympathy with the door as the car twists.
3. Adjust door latch for a tighter pull to the body - for all three axis.
4. Live with it and keep applying lube - crappy but might be a reality for most. Turning the music up helps, but the anxiety of hearing it is always there if your sensitive to this stuff like me.

Anyway, my thoughts.