MisterMac
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It is when your wife is the delivery and sales coordinator for the local fuel supply company. It's the same fuel.
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It is when your wife is the delivery and sales coordinator for the local fuel supply company. It's the same fuel.
It is the same gasoline as in the same "base" gasoline. The additive packages differ by company. There are multiple websites with tons of information on this topic to this effect just in case you don't have a family member in the business. Pardon me if I choose their information over your wife's. Also, remind me to never buy gasoline in El Paso.
MisterMac
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TOP TIER is all TOP TIER. COSTCO gas Is TOP TIER. it is the sane gas sold at Shell.
Yes, TOP TIER has more detergents than non TOP TIER. yet, there is no reason to spend more for Shell or any other TOP TIER graded fuel.
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TOP TIER is a rating. To achieve a TOP TIER "rating" you have to add one of many additive packages produced by one of many manufacturers of additives.These additives were created to exceed the federal standard for detergents and corrosion inhibitors in raw stock gasoline. It must then be tested to see if it meets the standards of TOP TIER.
Don't take my word for it, read it on TOP TIER's licensing website page. How to Become Licensed
Different companies may still use different additional additive packages that exceed the requirements set to achieve TOP TIER licensing and meet federal standards. When you continue to say that all gasoline with a TOP TIER rating is the same, you are either intentionally being misleading or you don't know what you are talking about. Shell gasoline is substantially different from Costco gas.
But hey, feel free to use whatever gasoline brand/mix you would like, but stop misleading other people by stating something as fact that simply isn't factual.
MisterMac
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You've bought into the marketing hype. I've given the simple truth. You are welcome to remain ignorant.
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You do understand that "TOP TIER" is marketing right?
MisterMac
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You better study up, buddy.
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I've always understood that different brands all have the same fuel, which is monitored and controlled by EPA regulations, and already contains some detergents. Additional additives (!) are available as packages so each brand can choose their own "ingredients" and amounts, and also need to meet certain minimum requirements to qualify as Top Tier. Those "packages" are added to the fuel at the terminal as it is loaded into the tanker.
As each tanker has multiple compartments, you could have fuel with different additives to for different stations. I wouldn't expect that to be the case in deliveries to high-volume stations.
As to detergents in oil, I could easily see how that could help compensate for the lack of fuel/additives into the intake ports on GDI engines when vapor from that oil ends up recirculating to the intake. Never seen any evidence.
As each tanker has multiple compartments, you could have fuel with different additives to for different stations. I wouldn't expect that to be the case in deliveries to high-volume stations.
As to detergents in oil, I could easily see how that could help compensate for the lack of fuel/additives into the intake ports on GDI engines when vapor from that oil ends up recirculating to the intake. Never seen any evidence.
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Maybe you better study up... buddy. You see that TM right side of their name? You know what a TradeMark is? It's literally a made up name to represent something else. In this case the TM represents the name of the AGREEMENT (not product) that gas brands agreed upon in order to be considered part of TOPTIER. There is no such thing as TOPTIER gas, there are gas companies, who joined an agreement and promised to follow rules so they can advertise that they follow those rules - AKA marketing.
Just got to toptiergas[dot]com/licensed-brands/
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Haha, you got only half your facts right. Keep trying. Someday you may be successful. Probably not, but maybe
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Already successful, but not even remotely trying to please you. Enjoy marketing!
MisterMac
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Allow me to help you become more successful than you believe you are.
Read this :
Study Shows Top Tier Gasoline Worth the Extra Price
Just because something is advertised, does not make it marketing. Kia requires the use of TOP TIER fuel in the Stinger. Kia isn't one of the manufacturer alliance. Yet, Kia does recognize that TOP TIER gas will keep your engine cleaner and running better for much longer than gasoline with only the minimum required detergents per law.
However, when an engine is already being cleaned with TOP TIER fuel, does adding more detergents make it cleaner? The answer is maybe, yet, , clean is clean. The concept is known as diminishing returns. I won't take the time to explain that to you. You are self-proclaimed successful, so go figure it out.
Good luck.
Metalmania82
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Where does it say Kia requires use of Top Tier fuel??
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Manual, page 1 | 4: "Kia recommends that you use good quality gasolines treated with detergent additives such as TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline, which help prevent deposit formation in the engine. These gasolines will help the engine run cleaner and enhance performance of the Emission Control System. For more information on TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline, please go to the website (www.toptiergas.com)
"For customers who do not use TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline regularly and have problems starting or the engine does not run smoothly, additives that you can buy separately may be added to the gasoline.
"If TOP TIER Detergent Gasoline is not available, one bottle of additive should be added to the fuel tank at every 7,500 miles or every engine oil change is recommended. Additives are available from your authorized Kia dealer along with information on how to use them. Do not mix other additives."
So @MisterMac thinks that "V-Power NiTRO+, Synergy, and Invigorate" are examples of marketing hype... but not "Top Tier." If the term "marketing" is defined as activities done by a company to promote the buying or selling of a product or service, then yes, advertising is a part of marketing. Advertising, selling and delivering of products to consumers or other businesses are the core components of marketing. Using the phrase/logo of "Top Tier" promotes sales by making the customer aware of additives in the fuel to increase the quality and performance of the fuel. By doing this, "Top Tier" is most certainly marketing just like the marketing of the trademarks of big oil above. In the specific case of "Top Tier," gas stations are marketing the license from "Top Tier" representing the content of additives rather than the additives themselves. The last time that I checked, licensing is conducted for, among other reasons, the purposes of sales growth. This qualifies it a marketing strategy.
So to wrap up, just so I am clear @MisterMac , all gasoline is the same gasoline unless it is "Top Tier" gasoline? The additives that big oil markets and purports to add to their gasoline don't exist, aren't real, or don't matter but the additives that qualify the same big oil's gas as "Top Tier" are real and do all of the work? Lastly, the big oil additives are all marketing hype, while "Top Tier" advertising (LOL, not marketing hype) is legit? But wait, none of this matters. Doesn't it all come on the same truck anyway? Do you by chance work for "Top Tier?"
Truth of the matter, fuel in the US is some of the highest quality in the world. The chances of having "bad gas" across any company is slim, while the risks are much higher for individual stations due to old tanks, condensation in gas, etc. If you are having LSPI problems in a new car with a limited amount of miles, it is not likely because of bad gas. However, this is one of the simplest to check by simply changing gas.
So to wrap up, just so I am clear @MisterMac , all gasoline is the same gasoline unless it is "Top Tier" gasoline? The additives that big oil markets and purports to add to their gasoline don't exist, aren't real, or don't matter but the additives that qualify the same big oil's gas as "Top Tier" are real and do all of the work? Lastly, the big oil additives are all marketing hype, while "Top Tier" advertising (LOL, not marketing hype) is legit? But wait, none of this matters. Doesn't it all come on the same truck anyway? Do you by chance work for "Top Tier?"
Truth of the matter, fuel in the US is some of the highest quality in the world. The chances of having "bad gas" across any company is slim, while the risks are much higher for individual stations due to old tanks, condensation in gas, etc. If you are having LSPI problems in a new car with a limited amount of miles, it is not likely because of bad gas. However, this is one of the simplest to check by simply changing gas.
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Metalmania82
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Right, recommends. Not required. I don't believe they could legally require you to use Top Tier.
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Yes, that was my mistake. Kia recommends TOP TIER fuel, not requires.
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Hello guys. Just some update on my end. The knocking frequency seems to have subsided on its own. Still kind of testing but anan interesti development. I'm thinking the ECU adjusted on its own and "detuned" the car using the knock sensor, but just a guess. Will report if anything changes.
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I have been experiencing some of the same issues that you experienced in one of your previous posts. Under light acceleration right around 2000 RPM at approximately 40 to 50 mph I would experience hesitation, and hear what I think is knocking/pinging/ticking.
It was dramatic enough that it would let me fall forward as the acceleration was slowed. I was able to log OBD events around the time of the slowed acceleration and have graphed a few of the critical spikes in data.
If there is anyone who is a tuner that would be able to offer some insights it would be much appreciated.
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Great find, @robz32! I just wish they made the last video before I bought my Stinger back in October. Granted, I did keep my RPM between 2 .5 and 4-5k by downshifting literally every time I drove for the first 600 miles, then changed the oil, then proceeded to rip on it ever since haha. So I guess I wasn't too far off of the recommendations. I just should have driven even harder in the first 600.
Great find, @robz32! I just wish they made the last video before I bought my Stinger back in October. Granted, I did keep my RPM between 2 .5 and 4-5k by downshifting literally every time I drove for the first 600 miles, then changed the oil, then proceeded to rip on it ever since haha. So I guess I wasn't too far off of the recommendations. I just should have driven even harder in the first 600.
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