Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[Luciddream71]

Just curious, what 'worth' did you see that justifies a $600 higher price tag? I've never driven a Lap3 car but objectively they are slower than comparable JB4 cars.

BTW, thanks for asking what I see in them instead of just arguing with me.

 

[Bigjohnb20]

@Luciddream71 at least you are giving me some entertainment....

I won't bother trying to make a logical argument with you like some of these other more patient posters

 

[Sales@Tork]

2) The Pure dyno compared to stock turbos at around 23psi is in the first post. FFP took a few runs on a dynojet with similar tuning but it was a newly installed machine that isn't setup properly yet, couldn't load the drum, and the result was a wonky oscillation in the readings.

Terry can you please share the WinPep file for the dyno you guys used?

 

[Terry@BMS]

I probably wouldn't but I don't have them. The dyno is so new operators didn't know how to copy them apparently. And since it wasn't really working right I don't think FFP bothered to go back and collect them. They just took a few runs and when they couldn't apply any load to the drum packed it up for another day.

 

[Sales@Tork]

I probably wouldn't but I don't have them. The dyno is so new operators didn't know how to copy them apparently. And since it wasn't really working right I don't think FFP bothered to go back and collect them. They just took a few runs and when they couldn't apply any load to the drum packed it up for another day.

SMH... Can you please provide the JB4 logs for the dyno pulls

 

[Terry@BMS]

SMH... Can you please provide the JB4 logs for the dyno pulls

Sure.. And we can expect you're going to start providing JB4 equivalent logs with all of your track and dyno posts from now on? lol

As I said he ran the same tuning as on his load dyno. Since the dynojet wasn't working right we didn't spend much time working on the tuning.

 

[Larry Denen]

Sure.. And we can expect you're going to start providing JB4 equivalent logs with all of your track and dyno posts from now on? lol

As I said he ran the same tuning as on his load dyno. Since the dynojet wasn't working right we didn't spend much time working on the tuning.

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You have a lotta patience I'll tell you that.

 

[Sales@Tork]

Sure.. And we can expect you're going to start providing JB4 equivalent logs with all of your track and dyno posts from now on? lol

As I said he ran the same tuning as on his load dyno. Since the dynojet wasn't working right we didn't spend much time working on the tuning.

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Im still confused on how the dynojet wasnt working right? I have never seen a dynojet just not work.... Please explain

 

[Terry@BMS]

Im still confused on how the dynojet wasnt working right? I have never seen a dynojet just not work.... Please explain

Something about the dyno load cel not connected/active, so it was free-wheeling. I'm thousands of miles away so you'd have to ask FFP who was running it. Dyno was just installed and they were among the first cars to try it. When we saw the JB4 log was smooth and the dyno curve oscillating it was clear something isn't right. Especially since all was smooth on the load dyno with the same tuning. I've seen similar dyno oscillation before when tires bounce on the dyno or it's not strapped down properly.

Without being there though can't offer much advice on the reading itself other than what I see in the tuning log. Which is boost, timing, and AFR are hitting what I asked for. I was hoping this boost level would produce 540whp+. We'll see once the dynojet is sorted.

 

[Terry@BMS]

You have a lotta patience I'll tell you that.

Generally these forum posts are made for posterity so I try to avoid writing things I wouldn't want someone to read years later.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I was reading on this thread someone speaking of a lack of consistency with lap3 dyno in korea vs. a 3rd party here. Well, lemme see what I can find real quick...

Here's my pulls, mode 2, 19psi, E30, intake and sparkplugs.

Then there's 4 other stingers, all same mods, all between 425-435hp.

Alllllll the way on the other side of the world and would you look at that shit.

Thanks for providing proof that almost all lap3 dyno results are inferior, and that their fanboys feel compelled to lie to try to compete.

You say you only have intakes, plugs & e30, but have posted before you also have DPs, catback exhaust and custom ram air tubes.Those leftout upgrades are good for an easy 40whp+.

You also made 447whp with JB4, but only 431whp with lap3 and had “major knock” even on e30?!? I guess that’s expected since your 19psi is already pushing it, but lap3s other dynos show even more boost and dangerously running 20-21psi(1.4bar).

Also I’m pretty sure most of them had secondary DPs and some even had primary DPs to get those 425-435whp/470wtq results.

However Terry’s JB4 made 441whp/518wtq with only intakes, e30 and stock exhaust with all 4cats.

He even made 416whp/515wtq on 91octane with only intakes using map2(16psi)

So according to your own results the lap3 makes less power with more upgrades(40whp+ worth)and much more boost(16-18 vs 19-21).

Even if you use lap3s bogus claim that Terry inflates his dynojet results, extra power from DPs & catbacks would easily offset any “inflated” differences.

So thank you again for showing that lap3 Stingers still need more upgrades & more boost to make similar gains as the JB4.

 

[brancky3]

So according to your own results the lap3 makes less power with more upgrades(40whp+ worth)and much more boost(16-18 vs 19-21).

Another thing that scares me is that Lap3 continually says our Stingers run ~14-15psi from the factory. Every Stinger I've seen in factory spec peaks ~11-12psi and holds ~10psi. I know that 19-21psi isn't unheard of in the turbo world but if JB4 cars are making more / similar power with only ~15psi it's strange.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Another thing that scares me is that Lap3 continually says our Stingers run ~14-15psi from the factory. Every Stinger I've seen in factory spec peaks ~11-12psi and holds ~10psi. I know that 19-21psi isn't unheard of in the turbo world but if JB4 cars are making more / similar power with only ~15psi it's strange.

Since none of their customers can data log stock or otherwise how would anyone know, lol.

 

[Tonkabob]

Another thing that scares me is that Lap3 continually says our Stingers run ~14-15psi from the factory. Every Stinger I've seen in factory spec peaks ~11-12psi and holds ~10psi. I know that 19-21psi isn't unheard of in the turbo world but if JB4 cars are making more / similar power with only ~15psi it's strange.

Mine was 14 psi stock as where several others I've seen. But who really cares about dynos? Go out and run the car. Pick your event and share the results. 0-60, 1/4 mile 60-130.

 

[Crewdawg130]

Im still confused on how the dynojet wasnt working right? I have never seen a dynojet just not work.... Please explain

Do you have a 224xLC?

 

[Crewdawg130]

Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

Ya'll can discuss that other crap there cause it doesn't have to do with this turbos and none of you are helping with anything.

 

[Angel]

I'm familiar with their work in the KDM industry-Sonata/Optima Platforms, they tune Audi, KDM, BMW, Nissan. Their history in Korea is insane. And I've driven plenty of their canned tunes, and fully built motors. They've engineered and built Supercars and work extensively with Hyundai on their tunes...the history speaks for itself. That's what I see in them. But, all that may not be important for others. And yes, their product is more expensive, I won't argue that, but to me, I trust the quality of the work and will pay the price.

I agree with your first point .....LAP 3 does have an insane history on the KDM industry they definitely know their shit...I think this should not even be argued at all, they do make amazing products......I have heard from 2 people that switched from the JB4 to Lap 3 pro tuner and they both said the car felt faster and that they liked the Lap 3 pro tuner better....Now please people I own a JB4 so dont go bat shit crazy on me now....I have no data or the people that told me didnt have no dynos or anything like that, but they did express that....I personally dont justify the 600 extra dollars and the pain in the butt to install that cam sensor.....so i am good with my Jb4 but if i was to pay $1200 for something it would be an ecu tune not a piggyback.....I understand your point but you just came out like a mad man, like a joker....leave that shit up to me thats my role please......but in all your crazy points I agree with some but at the end of the day there has been no race between 2 cars with same mods one JB4 and one lap 3 pro tuners...

 

[brancky3]

Lets talk tuning, piggy back vs ECU flash.

Ya'll can discuss that other crap there cause it doesn't have to do with this turbos and none of you are helping with anything.

Any updates on your car? Any initial flashes done?

 

[Sales@Tork]

Thanks for providing proof that almost all lap3 dyno results are inferior, and that their fanboys feel compelled to lie to try to compete.

You say you only have intakes, plugs & e30, but have posted before you also have DPs, catback exhaust and custom ram air tubes.View attachment 18546Those leftout upgrades are good for an easy 40whp+.

You also made 447whp with JB4, but only 431whp with lap3 and had “major knock” even on e30?!? I guess that’s expected since your 19psi is already pushing it, but lap3s other dynos show even more boost and dangerously running 20-21psi(1.4bar).

Also I’m pretty sure most of them had secondary DPs and some even had primary DPs to get those 425-435whp/470wtq results.

However Terry’s JB4 made 441whp/518wtq with only intakes, e30 and stock exhaust with all 4cats.

He even made 416whp/515wtq on 91octane with only intakes using map2(16psi)

So according to your own results the lap3 makes less power with more upgrades(40whp+ worth)and much more boost(16-18 vs 19-21).

Even if you use lap3s bogus claim that Terry inflates his dynojet results, extra power from DPs & catbacks would easily offset any “inflated” differences.

So thank you again for showing that lap3 Stingers still need more upgrades & more boost to make similar gains as the JB4.

Am I missing something? You are responding to Michael Locke yet posted a screen shot of Elias Wu? Even we have a hard time believing terry picked up about 70whp and 130trq from intakes, map2 and e30. I havent seen any of his customers post results like that

 

[Kamauxx]

Am I missing something? You are responding to Michael Locke yet posted a screen shot of Elias Wu? Even we have a hard time believing terry picked up about 70whp and 130trq from intakes, map2 and e30. I havent seen any of his customers post results like that

Around six months back someone posted a video comparing the LAP3 Uncle to JB4. IIRC they both made just under 60 whp. It isn't unreasonable to expect the intake and e30 to pick up another 10+.