Stinger JB4 Pure Hybrid Turbo Testing

[Terry@BMS]

If the mods just delete Tork's post that clears up 98% of the bullshit in the thread and lets the rest of us talk about the turbos.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

If the mods just delete Tork's post that clears up 98% of the bullshit in the thread and lets the rest of us talk about the turbos.

Oh come on Terry dont start baiting him so he responds and you report it again.

Either way I hope @DaJackson reads the thread and segregates what I guess he feels is relevant info and doesnt just mass delete posts because we did lose a ton of info.

 

[Angel]

If the mods just delete Tork's post that clears up 98% of the bullshit in the thread and lets the rest of us talk about the turbos.

Terry wow I google up John Bushbaum scam and oh my god ... so many bad reviews and people that got screwed over ... don’t think all those people from those different forums are making all that up. I reccomend everyone to google John bushbaum scam and make your own mind for your self before doing anything ...warning there a lot of reading lol...it’s a bit scary to be honest ... but Terry how close you do you feel you are with Tunning for theses hybrid turbos ? My concern is will like race gas or wmi be required to be used ??

Oh come on Terry dont start baiting him so he responds and you report it again.

Either way I hope @DaJackson reads the thread and segregates what I guess he feels is relevant info and doesnt just mass delete posts because we did lose a ton of info.

Lol ... we did lose some good information..

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Terry how close you do you feel you are with Tunning for theses hybrid turbos ? My concern is will like race gas or wmi be required to be used ??

I think he said he was close (in some of the posts that were deleted lol) but he cant get it to where it needs to be without a back end flash.

 

[Terry@BMS]

Modified my earlier post to include a little more info for you guys, to replace what was deleted.

 

[Angel]

I think he said he was close (in some of the posts that were deleted lol) but he cant get it to where it needs to be without a back end flash.

What he mean by the back end flash ?? So it is like an ecu tune and the JB4 ??

 

[Terry@BMS]

Terry wow I google up John Bushbaum scam and oh my god ... so many bad reviews and people that got screwed over ... don’t think all those people from those different forums are making all that up. I reccomend everyone to google John bushbaum scam and make your own mind for your self before doing anything ...warning there a lot of reading lol...it’s a bit scary to be honest ... but Terry how close you do you feel you are with Tunning for theses hybrid turbos ? My concern is will like race gas or wmi be required to be used ??

I have a lot of friends in the industry (been doing this a long time) and could tell you stories but it's not really my place. Anyway back to the turbos who knows. Could be 3 simple changes and we're running 125mph traps. Or could be months of struggle to get the most out of the turbos. I know what needs to be done and emailed specific directions FFP who is working with another shop to get the flash updated to what I asked for.

Hopefully some day HP Tuners, MHD, Cobb, or some larger flashing platform comes to the Stinger market and then we'd be happy to develop and post free unlocked JB4 back end flash maps intended for use with hybrids.

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

What he mean by the back end flash ?? So it is like an ecu tune and the JB4 ??

I beleive so. Similar to what lap3 is doing.

 

[TwinSnails]

Essentially, yes. You then use the JB4 to control aspects of the tune, boost, WMI. More like a control.

 

[Angel]

I have a lot of friends in the industry (been doing this a long time) and could tell you stories but it's not really my place. Anyway back to the turbos who knows. Could be 3 simple changes and we're running 125mph traps. Or could be months of struggle to get the most out of the turbos. I know what needs to be done and emailed specific directions FFP who is working with another shop to get the flash updated to what I asked for.

Hopefully some day HP Tuners, MHD, Cobb, or some larger flashing platform comes to the Stinger market and then we'd be happy to develop and post free unlocked JB4 back end flash maps intended for use with hybrids.

So you will get ecu tune and use the jb4 as well ?? A combination of both?? And you months away from finishing ? What about the turbos will they be realesed for sale soon ??

 

[DaJackson]

Either way I hope @DaJackson reads the thread and segregates what I guess he feels is relevant info and doesnt just mass delete posts because we did lose a ton of info.

It’s a tangled web with quoted posts etc.

 

[Crewdawg130]

I was trying to get my point across and explain what were trying to do, to be informative about this before the Hate Cannon was loaded.
I didn't have to post anything. I could've hip pocket the turbo development and posted end results when ever. But damn if you do, damn if you don't

People do know that there's other shops in the universe that can bench flash this ECU's, right?. We knew that this was coming and we would find that wall at some point with this tuning option. Is just part of developing so we as a community can elevate the sport and have OPTIONS. Pure made this happen, Force-Fed Performance reached out before they were released to help with the development. We could've bought 1 of the 5 of the bench flash hardware, "that i know of", for Stinger Keifco ECU with a crap load of maps already available. I'm not interested in bench flashing so ill use my contacts to do what we need to do.

We'll create the base flash and will fine tune fuel, boost and meth with the JB4 and keep all the other features. Were also developing additional fuel delivery to help us all with other than stock turbo application.

Im doing this with the help of Force-fed, Burger Motorsports, Pure and a crap load of other shops. Guys, just have fun, make your own decisions and make this forum grate again...lol

 

[DarthVaderIX]

^^Great post. I just realized nobody has asked (that I have seen) how the fuel system is doing lol. Also, we should let these guys do what they’re doing. And be grateful. I know I sure as heck aren’t going to or know how to develop tuning and larger turbos.

 

[Terry@BMS]

^^Great post. I just realized nobody has asked (that I have seen) how the fuel system is doing lol. Also, we should let these guys do what they’re doing. And be grateful. I know I sure as heck aren’t going to or know how to develop tuning and larger turbos.

I may have posted somewhere, but it's a challenge. Fuel pressure drops over 20psi without WMI. And over 23psi with a single nozzle if running E30. Not sure yet whether it's a low pressure issue or the common high pressure limitation. We're running it about as lean as we want to run it so short term plan is more WMI volume.

 

[Terry@BMS]

So you will get ecu tune and use the jb4 as well ?? A combination of both?? And you months away from finishing ? What about the turbos will they be realesed for sale soon ??

The JB4 is a tuning tool that works with ANY flash mapping, stock or modified.

A simple way of explaining it that you might understand is it works best when you're only changing the power up or down around 50% from the flashed level. Beyond that and the techniques used to change the tuning run in to limitations. So the quick fix is to reset the flash tuning closer to the final power output so you can continue to use the JB4 to go +- 50% from there.

So in this case the stock tuning is around 330hp, and we want to make around 600hp, so we want to get the flash tuning up to around 450hp so the JB4 is still within range and can adjust the actual tuning between 300hp and 600hp.

 

[DarthVaderIX]

I may have posted somewhere, but it's a challenge. Fuel pressure drops over 20psi without WMI. And over 23psi with a single nozzle if running E30. Not sure yet whether it's a low pressure issue or the common high pressure limitation. We're running it about as lean as we want to run it so short term plan is more WMI volume.

Wow, that’s incredible. So in other words the wmi is not primarily for another power adder? I have always resisted it. I like to just use more Ethanol or high quality race gas. Although I remember when we started putting Coil on plug set ups on and we thought we were high tech. Maybe I’m just stuck in the past. Oh the joys of DI. Many positive and negatives. I remember when 12.0afr was really lean lol.

 

[Terry@BMS]

The WMI is a triple threat... Fuel volume, octane, cooling of intake temps. And as a bonus EGT reduction.

In this case with the hybrids the only reason we're running it is for the extra fuel volume.

It's a DI motor so you can run them high 13s if you really want... But, there isn't an EGT probe in the car (yet) so we're sticking with around 12.0:1 for now.

 

[Angel]

The JB4 is a tuning tool that works with ANY flash mapping, stock or modified.

A simple way of explaining it that you might understand is it works best when you're only changing the power up or down around 50% from the flashed level. Beyond that and the techniques used to change the tuning run in to limitations. So the quick fix is to reset the flash tuning closer to the final power output so you can continue to use the JB4 to go +- 50% from there.

So in this case the stock tuning is around 330hp, and we want to make around 600hp, so we want to get the flash tuning up to around 450hp so the JB4 is still within range and can adjust the actual tuning between 300hp and 600hp.

Ok I understand you will run ecu flash Tunning in hand with the JB4 ... is Tork doing the flash Tunning ?? Lol jk who is performing the flash Tunning ?

 

[DarthVaderIX]

I appreciate what you guys do. You don’t have to do any of this. Answering questions and everything. It’s pretty cool. On that note my car is still 100% stock albeit only a month +\- in my possession. I’d like to get the BMS intakes, jb4 and full exhaust. And hang out there until the hybrid scenario is good to go.

 

[Crewdawg130]

Wow, that’s incredible. So in other words the wmi is not primarily for another power adder? I have always resisted it. I like to just use more Ethanol or high quality race gas. Although I remember when we started putting Coil on plug set ups on and we thought we were high tech. Maybe I’m just stuck in the past. Oh the joys of DI. Many positive and negatives. I remember when 12.0afr was really lean lol.

e85 is not going to cut it at this power level with the current fuel system. We had to go to 109 and meth. So like Terry said, were going to up the jet size for now until were done with the fuel delivery project. That part of this project will be released when we're done. Sad, but this gets out of control easy around here. I think from now on I'll take that route.