Drag/Acceleration Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

[brancky3]

OK everyone, I'm officially over the format of the top 10 list and created a Google doc spreadsheet instead. Anyone with the link can view, but I think it would be smart if only a few people can edit (Tonkabob, for one ). We can start adding dates and historic data as I comb the last 61 pages for historic data, but I think this will greatly simplify things and give us the opportunity to include more than the top 10 times.

Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

 

[Tonkabob]

OK everyone, I'm officially over the format of the top 10 list and created a Google doc spreadsheet instead. Anyone with the link can view, but I think it would be smart if only a few people can edit (Tonkabob, for one ). We can start adding dates and historic data as I comb the last 61 pages for historic data, but I think this will greatly simplify things and give us the opportunity to include more than the top 10 times.

Kia Stinger 1/4 Mile Times

Also a reminder that @robz32 is updating the first post of this thread weekly to keep the 1/4 mile times fresh and easy to find.

 

[brancky3]

Also a reminder that @robz32 is updating the first post of this thread weekly to keep the 1/4 mile times fresh and easy to find.

He wouldn't need to do that anymore if we just link the Google spreadsheet. Easy peasy

 

[Angel]

He wouldn't need to do that anymore if we just link the Google spreadsheet. Easy peasy

Thanks for doing that ... that’s cool of you ... everyone likes spreadsheets lol

You, speechless impossible! Lol. And no never a politician, I prefer teaching by writing non fiction instead of spreading fake news.

And doesn’t look like you even read my “speech”, because I’m not disagreeing it’s a 1/4m thread and the one the has the lower ET wins... I’m simply pointing out that the 60ft & trap times all 1/4m tracks & tonkabob provides are there for good reason. They are both useful measurements for different aspects of performance...

Think you’re actually missing the point again. No, I wouldn’t tell someone that beat my ET I got a higher MPH, but it’s still a fact I had the “faster” car. He simply got a better launch, but since I would have been gaining on him the whole way it proves I had the faster car...

And that’s where I lost you. I didn’t say anything about Terry, or a hellcat in my post. And if you’re only concerned about 1/4m ETs then start your own tread without the 60ft, trap speed, and all the mods that tonkabob provides. I bet it wouldn’t be as popular because it doesn’t include the helpful information showing you how everyone made those ETs...

I said it before and I will said it again “ You the Men” ....

 

[StungBlueGT2]

I agree all 1/4 mile metrics are interesting and useful for assessing your cars performance. ET is the most important in a 1/4 mile race obviously. Roll racing prowess is nearly impossible to measure unless everyone does 60-130 and measures with a dragy - hence the need for a roll race thread. Even a faster Trap in the 1/4 doesn't mean the car would win in a roll race. It might it might not.

I agree with everything you said except about the faster 1/4m trap car not winning a roll race. Obviously other factors could interfere and he may lose, but trap speed has a direct relationship & is a primary indicator of power. I’d bet a 120mph trap car would walk on a 115mph car 99/100 times in any roll race.

Again, not trying to take anything away from the quickest ET. I’m just saying trap speed is just as important of a measurement as 60ft when it comes to 1/4m times.

 

[Tonkabob]

I agree with everything you said except about the faster 1/4m trap car not winning a roll race. Obviously other factors could interfere and he may lose, but trap speed has a direct relationship & is a primary indicator of power. I’d bet a 120mph trap car would walk on a 115mph car 99/100 times in any roll race.

Again, not trying to take anything away from the quickest ET. I’m just saying trap speed is just as important of a measurement as 60ft when it comes to 1/4m times.

Sure, 5 MPH is a huge gap and would probably win most if not every roll race vs a 115 MPH car. But if the gap is 1 or 2 MPH, it really depends on the roll race. Our cars tend to have a habit of cutting throttle and tapering power before shifts. If the roll race starts at 30 (first gear) or 50 (second gear) is a very different roll race than one that starts at 80 (4th gear). Higher speed roll races is basically a dyno pull if the cars are the same weight.

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[StungBlueGT2]

Sure, 5 MPH is a huge gap and would probably win most if not every roll race vs a 115 MPH car. But if the gap is 1 or 2 MPH, it really depends on the roll race. Our cars tend to have a habit of cutting throttle and tapering power before shifts. If the roll race starts at 30 (first gear) or 50 (second gear) is a very different roll race than one that starts at 80 (4th gear). Higher speed roll races is basically a dyno pull if the cars are the same weight.

Agreed. But I still have seen, and would bet the car with a 117mph trap would always start pulling on the 115 trap car at any speed. It might be less noticeable at lower speeds, but with all things being equal the higher trap car will always be slightly faster no matter the speed.

 

[Tonkabob]

Agreed. But I still have seen, and would bet the car with a 117mph trap would always start pulling on the 115 trap car at any speed. It might be less noticeable at lower speeds, but with all things being equal the higher trap car will always be slightly faster no matter the speed.

This one has already been myth busted with data. Terry had a +2 MPH 1/4 mile run - 12.13 @ 119.3 vs my 11.95 @ 117.4.
If you compare the time delta, he doesn't start gaining ground on me until after the 1/8th mile which is at 93 MPH. Or if you compare the 330 to the finish our delta is 0. 330 is about 67 MPH, lets call it 70 MPH. So if the roll race started at 70 MPH we would tie. Any roll race that starts below 70 I win and above 70 he wins. And that is with a 2 MPH trap difference which is quite a bit. So the faster traps and roll race win fantasy may be a bit over stated when you are up against a fast shifting ECU tune.

 

[Terry@BMS]

I think that analysis above is bunk but who really cares.

The best way to do "rolling race" simulations is to compare 60-130mph times. As a data point our development car generally runs low 10s staying in it through 1/4 mile runs. I haven't tried a dedicated 60-130mph run yet starting in 3rd though. Hoping for high 9s.

 

[Tonkabob]

True, not many care about roll racing accept a few. I just started a 0-60 thread, Now Branky or Terry should go start a roll race thread.

 

[Blitz]

So back on topic. Is noone looking at GetStung's time and wondering how the f*ck that happened?

 

[brancky3]

So back on topic. Is noone looking at GetStung's time and wondering how the f*ck that happened?

I'd be willing to bet money it's due to his ambient temperature, I think he said it was 17*F outside? His IATs must have been crazy low.

 

[Get Stung]

So back on topic. Is noone looking at GetStung's time and wondering how the f*ck that happened?

Not a fluke

all times except the 11.98 were pre dump valves. Not sure why you having trouble wrapping your head around it. Wait until you see the next one

 

[StungBlueGT2]

This one has already been myth busted with data. Terry had a +2 MPH 1/4 mile run - 12.13 @ 119.3 vs my 11.95 @ 117.4.
If you compare the time delta, he doesn't start gaining ground on me until after the 1/8th mile which is at 93 MPH. Or if you compare the 330 to the finish our delta is 0. 330 is about 67 MPH, lets call it 70 MPH. So if the roll race started at 70 MPH we would tie. Any roll race that starts below 70 I win and above 70 he wins. And that is with a 2 MPH trap difference which is quite a bit. So the faster traps and roll race win fantasy may be a bit over stated when you are up against a fast shifting ECU tune.
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No offense but you can’t just make up charts and think it’s math.

All those results are based on a 0mph dig launch where Terry starts behind due to traction. Really the AWD advantage disappears almost immediately and he’s technically gaining on you from 2nd gear on. Also the addition weight & power loss from AWD drivetrain would start playing a factor as soon as the RWD had equal traction(2nd gear).

So if you didn’t factor in the traction advantage, any roll from 2nd gear on Terry would be walking on you. I’m not trying to take sides I’m just stating how the numbers would work in the real world.

 

[Angel]

But Obama’s was bigger.....

That’s the point lol hahahaha

 

[Tonkabob]

I'd be willing to bet money it's due to his ambient temperature, I think he said it was 17*F outside? His IATs must have been crazy low.

I don't think its the temps as his logs show 65 IAT at ambient 20 and i have my logs showing 55 IAT degrees at 32 degrees ambient (with intake and IC) His boost 15 , My boost 17.4 , same 60 foot and i ran 12.03, .05 slower. Splain that one.
And the log times from 3mph to 116 mph show 13 seconds. Log time not perfect but its something.

 

[Tonkabob]

No offense but you can’t just make up charts and think it’s math.

All those results are based on a 0mph dig launch where Terry starts behind due to traction. Really the AWD advantage disappears almost immediately and he’s technically gaining on you from 2nd gear on. Also the addition weight & power loss from AWD drivetrain would start playing a factor as soon as the RWD had equal traction(2nd gear).

So if you didn’t factor in the traction advantage, any roll from 2nd gear on Terry would be walking on you. I’m not trying to take sides I’m just stating how the numbers would work in the real world.

Yeah its not perfect as its a comparision of time through out the run and we don't know the starting speed at each stage. It would be better to have the logs and match the time from 50 to 115 for example.
But in the end we just need the 60-130 roll race thread ☺

 

[Angel]

I'd be willing to bet money it's due to his ambient temperature, I think he said it was 17*F outside? His IATs must have been crazy low.

I be willing to bet money is the draggy lol .... virtual reality .... I be willing to bet money if he hits the track with those exact same mods he has now he won’t get an 11 second pass ... this is not to disrespect or discredit anyone

 

[Sabz]

That’s the point lol hahahaha

Lol it’s the way it was worded ... it’s worded that trumps was bigger.. unless I read it wrong but I think he just had a typo ha

 

[DaBears4Lyfe]

Alright Draggy has finally been turned on. When I get home ill take the sandbags out of the car and we will see what a non tuned car can do lol.