LAP3 Pro-Tuner - 540BHP New Stock Turbo Record

[DaJackson]

The baseline shows ~10% drivetrain loss on the dyno. That's the data used to calculate BHP.

PRESSERtech is guessing on the crank HP, just adding theoretical 15% drivetrain loss to advertise "393WHP as MAX 459BHP" on the dynojet, while their baseline #s are about the same as ours. We too could be using the generous 15% drivetrain loss calculation and advertise 570BHP+ instead, but we kept it relevant to what baseline dyno shows vs. Kia's official BHP rating, whether it's underrated from the factory or not.

So again, guessing at the 500 number because no one knows what the drivetrain loss is. Could be 10%, 15% or 23.9%. KIA claims 365hp crank but not every car is combing out of the factory at that number, none of them may be that high.

No one should be claiming crank HP numbers unless they have pulled the engine and put it on an engine dyno. Real world, what gets to the ground is all that matters.

 

[Callum]

What is the loss on the AWD?

 

[Kamauxx]

We are waiting to see. A several people just got the pro-tuner installed, and we are already seeing better results than what the platform has been making. The RWD cars will be challenging to launch and nail the 60ft without spinning, but it has more potential than the AWD cars since RWD has 10% less powertrain loss and lighter weight.

And this?

Do you have a list of the different modes, what octane is required, and how much boost over stock they each make?

 

[SteveCo]

What is the loss on the AWD?

Who knows? Every car model is different, and even with the engine removed and tested independently from a rolling dyno powertrain test, you've now got two completely different test methodologies and equipment that you are trying to equate.

Here's a good article I found online, which covers a lot of the issues involved. Drivetrain Power Loss - The 15% "Rule"- Modified Magazine

To skip ahead to the punch line ... 'In the end, there's no easy way to estimate the drivetrain loss your vehicle experiences on the road or even on the dyno. '

 

[Callum]

Who knows? Every car model is different, and even with the engine removed and tested independently from a rolling dyno powertrain test, you've now got two completely different test methodologies and equipment that you are trying to equate.

Here's a good article I found online, which covers a lot of the issues involved. Drivetrain Power Loss - The 15% "Rule"- Modified Magazine

To skip ahead to the punch line ... 'In the end, there's no easy way to estimate the drivetrain loss your vehicle experiences on the road or even on the dyno. '

Thanks for the info. I knew it was vehicle dependant and a lot of variables. I'm sure that documentation is out there, just not for public eyes!

 

[LAP3 Performance]

So again, guessing at the 500 number because no one knows what the drivetrain loss is. Could be 10%, 15% or 23.9%. KIA claims 365hp crank but not every car is combing out of the factory at that number, none of them may be that high.

No one should be claiming crank HP numbers unless they have pulled the engine and put it on an engine dyno. Real world, what gets to the ground is all that matters.

I agree with you, but we have to advertise in a certain manner when we get emails from people that they are already making over 500WHP+. Many don't seem to understand the difference between BHP vs. WHP. We just have to play the same game that other companies are playing to make them understand it, and hope they are making fair comparisons. We have provided more dyno results than any companies out there, and our recent track records and Dragy data from customers back them up. That's how it should be; however, You'd be surprised how much inquires we get and that they are already making over 500WHP+, due to their misunderstanding other companies' claims. Though our claimed number is the most conservative number, knowing that we've only used 10% loss we have seen on the dyno vs. the Kia's BHP rating claim, which means the true BHP could only be higher than what we claimed.

 

[LAP3 Performance]

What is the loss on the AWD?

The Stock RWD Stinger GT RWD models have been putting down 320-340WHP on dynojet.
The AWD models made anywhere from 290-310WHP, unless you pull the AWD fuse to dyno rear wheels only.

 

[LAP3 Performance]

And this?

Do you have a list of the different modes, what octane is required, and how much boost over stock they each make?

The Pro-Tuner currently comes with 4 modes.
Mode1 - Stock(0.95-1bar ~upto 14.5psi)


We made some adjustments on the Mode2, and it makes about (3.5-4psi over stock)
Mode3 - 93 Octane Map (+0.3bar ~ upto 4.5psi over stock).


Mode4 - 91/93+Meth map (+0.47bar ~6-7psi over stock)

 

[Kamauxx]

The Pro-Tuner currently comes with 4 modes.
Mode1 - Stock(0.95-1bar ~upto 14.5psi)
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We made some adjustments on the Mode2, and it makes about (3.5-4psi over stock)
Mode3 - 93 Octane Map (+0.3bar ~ upto 4.5psi over stock).
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Mode4 - 91/93+Meth map (+0.47bar ~6-7psi over stock)
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Thank you!

 

[Tonkabob]

They are Magnaflow 200cell Hi-flow cats.

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Is this the right picture? Doesnt look like cats.

 

[Doel]

Is this the right picture? Doesnt look like cats.

so hi flow it's like there's no cat at all! lol

 

[LAP3 Performance]

Is this the right picture? Doesnt look like cats.

The member STINGER asked for more pictures of the downpipe, so we posted a picture received from our customer. And we simply answered his next question, what brand of High flow cats we use if you choose to add High Flow Cats as an option. We weren't planning on offering downpipes with HFC, so we don't have any pictures yet. When we get an order with HFCs, we can get some photos for you

 

[ryan1stinger]

@LAP3 Tuning

Can you confirm the max supported PSI for the Kia Stinger 3.3 TT ? My understanding is that they are manufactured by Garrett at Honeywell.

 

[Clint Easterly]

What are the numbers for 91 octane? Am I missing them? I'm looking to keep mine completely stock w/ 91 octane and I'm wondering if this is a good option.

 

[StungBlueGT2]

What are the numbers for 91 octane? Am I missing them? I'm looking to keep mine completely stock w/ 91 octane and I'm wondering if this is a good option.

I don’t see them posted anywhere probably because it’s a lot less than their map 3. I’ve seen a few people running them say it’s a huge difference between the 91 & 93 lap3 tunes.

I’d guess 20-30 less whp/wtq on the 91 octane map 2 settings, but still a very nice improvement on a stock car.

 

[kevin]

all the numbers have been posted prior in this post.. Lap3USA has updated the PRO-TUNER app...as of Nov 5

MODE-0 stock
MODE-1 is 91 octane
MODE-2 is 93 octane
MODE-3 is 93+ meth and Downpipes


and yes, there is a big difference is power feel between MODES- 1&2

buy the Device!!! you won't be disappointed...lol it's really too much power to be honest...You can be in bad shape quick if your not paying attention in MODE-2....LOL

 

[Clint Easterly]

all the numbers have been posted prior in this post.. Lap3USA has updated the PRO-TUNER app...as of Nov 5

MODE-0 stock
MODE-1 is 91 octane
MODE-2 is 93 octane
MODE-3 is 93+ meth and Downpipes


and yes, there is a big difference is power feel between MODES- 1&2

buy the Device!!! you won't be disappointed...lol it's really too much power to be honest...You can be in bad shape quick if your not paying attention in MODE-2....LOL

Where. Even on their site I cannot find any Mode-1 numbers or a dyno. I think I'm on the fence on this because:

The install seems very invasive. Putting the car back to stock in case of needed maintenance will be a pain in the ass.
I can't find any 91 octane numbers. Pressertech confirms that their tune will run perfectly with 91 and stock plugs (I dont mind replacing plugs) but its missing ~40 hp on Lap3 @ 93.
I'm now reading someone saying to be very careful getting winter gas @ pumps because he can hear knock if he gets unlucky!? Seems ultra aggressive. I'm not trying to get unlucky at a gas pump and destroy a $40,000 car.

 

[Kamauxx]

Where. Even on their site I cannot find any Mode-1 numbers or a dyno. I think I'm on the fence on this because:

The install seems very invasive. Putting the car back to stock in case of needed maintenance will be a pain in the ass.
I can't find any 91 octane numbers. Pressertech confirms that their tune will run perfectly with 91 and stock plugs (I dont mind replacing plugs) but its missing ~40 hp on Lap3 @ 93.
I'm now reading someone saying to be very careful getting winter gas @ pumps because he can hear knock if he gets unlucky!? Seems ultra aggressive. I'm not trying to get unlucky at a gas pump and destroy a $40,000 car.

"seems ultra aggressive" ??? Didn't they say it's running at over 21 psi? I think it's safe to say that it IS ultra aggressive.

 

[Clint Easterly]

"seems ultra aggressive" ??? Didn't they say it's running at over 21 psi? I think it's safe to say that it IS ultra aggressive.

Hence why I'm asking what the less aggressive's modes numbers are. It's silly to run a one size fits all tune that is on the edge of blowing your shit up on a brand new car unless you're tracking it IN MY OPINION. I want a bit more power and to be very safe. That's why I'm asking questions about their 91 octane tune. Not bashing anyone's choices, but I've been through motors on an s2000 and I'm not trying to do that dance again.

 

[Kamauxx]

Hence why I'm asking what the less aggressive's modes numbers are. It's silly to run a one size fits all tune that is on the edge of blowing your shit up on a brand new car unless you're tracking it IN MY OPINION. I want a bit more power and to be very safe. That's why I'm asking questions about their 91 octane tune. Not bashing anyone's choices, but I've been through motors on an s2000 and I'm not trying to do that dance again.

My best GUESS is mode 1 uses whatever fuel Kia recommends for the Stinger.

Posted above they wrote:
Mode1 - Stock(0.95-1bar ~upto 14.5psi)

Again, thats just a guess and I have no experience with LAP3 products. I think they're active on social media though so maybe try reaching out directly to them?