Discussion of Stinger paint quality (Was - Paint Chip Issue)

[forzanerazzurri]

@forzanerazzurri If you are referring to my car, they stripped it and did the entire process.

Thats really bizarre.

 

[jondyer]

Sorry if you already stated this but did they strip the paint entirely and reprep the surface? Most shops will just scuff the surface and blast a respray over top. This would result in the effects of poor adhesion continuing with the new paint. I mean there is no other rational explanation here.

They did strip the paint off of mine, along with the primer the first time they painted it. I know only because the car was rejected by Kia NA because the shop here used gray primer instead of yellow and the Kia rep lost his mind.

The question that I had was around whether or not anyone here could say if the primer used continues to have issues. if so, this whole exercise is rather like pissing up a rope.

 

[StungnTn]

My primer is white, it looks exactly the same as it did before it was painted.

 

[gilthanis1]

My primer is white, it looks exactly the same as it did before it was painted.

The new primer specified by Kia is yellow, which is why @jondyer had to have his redone. Mine is getting redone with the yellow primer as well. Something doesn't seem right that they would use a different primer and Kia approved it.

 

[Dmchristie1]

They did strip the paint off of mine, along with the primer the first time they painted it. I know only because the car was rejected by Kia NA because the shop here used gray primer instead of yellow and the Kia rep lost his mind.

The question that I had was around whether or not anyone here could say if the primer used continues to have issues. if so, this whole exercise is rather like pissing up a rope.

My body shop got into it with Kia. Kia stipulated a yellow primer that my body shop determined was inferior quality. My shop used a better quality primer (not yellow). The paint job looks awesome... so far. Will wait a few weeks before signing the release but so far the paint looks much better than original ... kind of like Heinz yellow mustard drinking a tequila sunrise at sunset in St Pete Beach.

 

[jondyer]

My body shop got into it with Kia. Kia stipulated a yellow primer that my body shop determined was inferior quality. My shop used a better quality primer (not yellow). The paint job looks awesome... so far. Will wait a few weeks before signing the release but so far the paint looks much better than original ... kind of like Heinz yellow mustard drinking a tequila sunrise at sunset in St Pete Beach.

I spoke to them yesterday and I am waiting for the weather to clear up so I can get outside and send him some pics so I can get a quote.

He told me that it will be about 4 weeks to get it re-done. I would rather give it to him to get sorted than back to anyone here, if he does a good job, the time will be worth the wait and by then he'll have had a lot of practice.

 

[somedudedontknowwhoheis]

People on their second repaint and discussing other options, and I'm just here like, "Kia my paint protection isn't the problem and neither is rock chips"

I'd like to point out that if Yellow is starting to chip again (since many of us non-Yellow haven't even had the opportunity to get the first repaint), and we're thinking it's adhesion, then why is the concern still on Yellow or even what primer they use? Color of the paint nor the primer would matter at that point, just the surface/preparation (texture?) of the vehicle would correct? And that's something that could have changed as production was refined. I wouldn't be surprised, that if that's the case, that you can't fix these early production cars.

Wasn't one of the things Kia was pushing before the car was released, how it was built differently and used more or less of certain materials in the process? This has to be something that was new to them, because people in this thread are correct, paint isn't something they should be screwing up on, but a new build process and a new type of car (for the company) could be.

Some of us have been to dealerships to checkout what they have on the lot with regard to whatever issues they can find. Has anyone seen any 19's yet? I'm not even sure if they're on the lots, but I feel like we have enough evidence here to at least point in the direction of early production issues with how the car was built, or what was used to prepare the surface effecting adhesion, and not some primer or paint issue.

 

[MerlintheMad]

This has to be something that was new to them, because people in this thread are correct, paint isn't something they should be screwing up on, but a new build process and a new type of car (for the company) could be.

I entertain the same idea. From the promo book: "55% of the body structure [uses] hot-stamped, ultra-high-strength steel." Is this surface different from what Kia has used on previous vehicles? Could already familiar primer coats react differently on this steel?

But if this were the case, wouldn't virtually of the Stingers be plagued with paint issues? Instead, we have relatively few, according to evidence so far. So it could be a complex of factors. And let's hope that Kia has worked through this already!

 

[MerlintheMad]

Has anyone seen any 19's yet? I'm not even sure if they're on the lots

buy now or wait the 2019 model?
I can go check these out. This is "my" dealership.

(edit: I just made an appointment for 8:15 tomorrow morning to get an oil change and so forth. I'll ask to check out their MY19s.)

 

[somedudedontknowwhoheis]

I entertain the same idea. From the promo book: "55% of the body structure [uses] hot-stamped, ultra-high-strength steel." Is this surface different from what Kia has used on previous vehicles? Could already familiar primer coats react differently on this steel?

But if this were the case, wouldn't virtually of the Stingers be plagued with paint issues? Instead, we have relatively few, according to evidence so far. So it could be a complex of factors. And let's hope that Kia has worked through this already!

Well that's what I'm getting at. I was reading something recently about Kia not committing to a second gen Stinger yet, because it has to do well. That the Stinger has had something like 12K sales in the US so far, 2K in Australia (which they considered good enough) and not as well in Europe (no data provided, in that article at least). If Kia has a new build process/materials for a car that's predominantly going to the US market, it's reasonable to assume that any issues in production would be more visible here (simply more cars) and that they could have refined the process over that time. Meaning, it (the issue) could have happened in small numbers everywhere (like our friend down under) and still been more visible/obvious here in the US, while also getting better over time and why we're seeing most issues with early build dates and I hope 'solved' on the 19's.

If this isn't the case, then I have no idea what could cause reoccurring issues on our cars to the degree we've seen them, that also explains why some have it and some don't. I mean, the above explanation even covers why some of us have had cars with dozens of chips, and others with just a few. Because Kia was getting better at the process, and/or the application of the process/build varied greatly from car to car as production was ramped up and issues stamped out.

 

[StungnTn]

The new primer specified by Kia is yellow, which is why @jondyer had to have his redone. Mine is getting redone with the yellow primer as well. Something doesn't seem right that they would use a different primer and Kia approved it.

I called KIA and they said the primer was white not yellow. I asked them without divulging my primer color. They spoke specifically about the grey primer issue.

 

[gilthanis1]

I called KIA and they said the primer was white not yellow. I asked them without divulging my primer color. They spoke specifically about the grey primer issue.

Thats interesting.... Ill pull up the recall notice in the morning. Not doubting you at all, but this adds more BS to the whole screwed up mess.

Thanks @StungnTn

 

[StungnTn]

Perhaps, when they say yellow primer paint, they aren't actually saying that the primer is yellow, but rather, it is for the primer designed for the yellow paint?

 

[gilthanis1]

Here is page 4 of the repaint instructions. If they started with one thing and then changed, WTF are they doing?? And why isn't everything uniform?? Is that so hard to do? You build them all one way, paint them all one way, but when it comes time to have to fix an issue and keep customers happy its the Wild F****** West and everybody that can fog a mirror at Kia suddenly has decision making power to change and alter whatever the hell they want.....

Not directing this at anyone, just a statement about Kia and this whole situation. Is it so hard to just repaint a car the right way? Apparently it is if your a company that rhymes with KIA......

 

[StungnTn]

Do you have that in color? Does it show it as yellow on the car? FFS

From the way I read it, it should be yellow...................

 

[NoVAGT2]

Why different specifications depending on state?

 

[MerlintheMad]

Why different specifications depending on state?

VOC; Volatile Organic Compound. Salt Lake City adheres to a higher restriction (lower VOC allowances) than the rest of Utah. Repainters had better know the VOC regulations or they will get dogpiled on by the "regulators". Heavy fines.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Here I am at Jerry Seiner, getting an oil change/maintenance.

They are getting a lot of MY19s in. In addition to these cars in the pics there is a Premium MY18 in the showroom. The blue Premium outside is a MY18. None of these eight cars has a single issue with paint, not even any damage.

That's a Pantera Metal GT2 MY19 (obviously), getting the once-over. And my Silky Silver up in the air.

 

[Keith Ruff]

Look under the headlights, all 5 Stingers at my dealership had chips on the bumper under one or both headlights, even the GT2 on the showroom floor.

 

[MerlintheMad]

Look under the headlights, all 5 Stingers at my dealership had chips on the bumper under one or both headlights, even the GT2 on the showroom floor.

You are talking to the "master of inspection". Back there on 30 July I did a thorough go-over of all (then 16) Jerry Seiner Stingers. You can find the post. And I did the same thing today. There is nothing to report except "All Stingers on the lot are A-OK." The very first thing I look for is chipping/flaking/peeling under the forward, lower corners of both headlight assemblies.

As I drove out, I could see several more MY19s at the far north end of the lot, still under their shipping plastic. It looks like Jerry Seiner has their finger on the pulse of potential buyers: most, or c. half anyway, of those MY19s visible are Ceramic Gray/Silver. One Red, and one Premium Black.