Kia best car for your money?

[Jenny Wang]

I was just thinking that since Hyundai doesn't sell the Genesis cars anymore it will be Kia that steps up to take their place. Genesis is aiming high and Hyundai can't build anything too good because that may detract from Genesis' success. So I'm thinking Kia might now be the go-to brand for cars with features that high end models have at reasonable prices. Does anyone else get this feeling?

I was looking at the Kia website and cars like the Cadenza and K900 are very luxurious cars. Since they are now the only current cars with such high end features without a brand name they must be the best deal for your money. I think the Stinger is following in those same footsteps.

OR! Do you think Kias are going to start getting really expensive?

 

[Brian Keenan]

Jenny. I think you're right. It wasn't all that long ago that most of us non-rich, level-headed people understood that Hyundai was one of the best bargains there was. Before Hyundai it was brands like Toyota and Honda. And to a lesser extent, Mazda. Before that, Chevrolet. But most of these brands have moved away from the "value" proposition and not make somewhat expensive automobiles.

I think Kia takes the place of Hyundai now that Hyundai has Genesis on top of it and can't step on their toes when making their somewhat luxurious products. I mean, think about it. If Hyundai wants to offer some kind of high tech feature, they need to do that with Genesis now. Not Hyundai. Kia can still bring cars like the K900 under the oval badge. The Stinger GT falls into that category as well.

You're not going to see a car like the Stinger GT in Hyundai's lineup any time soon. Nor will you see one like the K900. But Kia can do is all day long. So I think Kia is that brand now. And I do think Kia's prices are going to start going higher and higher.

My guess is the Stinger GT with V6 will start at just under $40k and stretch up to around $47-48k fully loaded. At least for its first year. Kias are already expensive. The K900 costs almost $70k.

 

[hej]

I was just thinking that since Hyundai doesn't sell the Genesis cars anymore it will be Kia that steps up to take their place. Genesis is aiming high and Hyundai can't build anything too good because that may detract from Genesis' success. So I'm thinking Kia might now be the go-to brand for cars with features that high end models have at reasonable prices. Does anyone else get this feeling?

I was looking at the Kia website and cars like the Cadenza and K900 are very luxurious cars. Since they are now the only current cars with such high end features without a brand name they must be the best deal for your money. I think the Stinger is following in those same footsteps.

OR! Do you think Kias are going to start getting really expensive?

I don't see how Genesis turning into a subbrand changes the value proposition. The prices remained essentially the same. Similarly, Kia's high end cars will cost more in much the same way that the Genesis sedan was an expensive Hyundai. I don't see this causing the prices of the lower end models any time soon.

 

[Larry Denen]

I was just thinking that since Hyundai doesn't sell the Genesis cars anymore it will be Kia that steps up to take their place. Genesis is aiming high and Hyundai can't build anything too good because that may detract from Genesis' success. So I'm thinking Kia might now be the go-to brand for cars with features that high end models have at reasonable prices. Does anyone else get this feeling?

I was looking at the Kia website and cars like the Cadenza and K900 are very luxurious cars. Since they are now the only current cars with such high end features without a brand name they must be the best deal for your money. I think the Stinger is following in those same footsteps.

OR! Do you think Kias are going to start getting really expensive?

I don't see how Genesis turning into a subbrand changes the value proposition.  The prices remained essentially the same.   Similarly, Kia's high end cars will cost more in much the same way that the Genesis sedan was an expensive Hyundai.  I don't see this causing the prices of the lower end models any time soon.

Genesis is trying to get out of that whole "value proposition" thing with the new brand. There's only one reason to create that sub brand and that's to charge more money for the products and their services. Same as Lexus. The LS was under $40k in 1989. I think it may have rolled out of the showroom for around $35k back then. Each year the price went up higher. The same thing will happen with the Genesis models. 

What Jenny is suggesting doesn't sound that unusual to me. Buick can't price compete with Cadillac and Hyundai can't price compete with Genesis. All the best features need to debut at a higher price in a Genesis before it runs down into Hyundai models like Cadillac does with Buick. Kia doesn't have this problem because there's no brand higher. That's if I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly. 

 

[hej]

Genesis is trying to get out of that whole "value proposition" thing with the new brand. There's only one reason to create that sub brand and that's to charge more money for the products and their services. Same as Lexus. The LS was under $40k in 1989. I think it may have rolled out of the showroom for around $35k back then. Each year the price went up higher. The same thing will happen with the Genesis models. 

What Jenny is suggesting doesn't sound that unusual to me. Buick can't price compete with Cadillac and Hyundai can't price compete with Genesis. All the best features need to debut at a higher price in a Genesis before it runs down into Hyundai models like Cadillac does with Buick. Kia doesn't have this problem because there's no brand higher. That's if I'm understanding what I'm reading correctly. 

Sure, prices will likely go up over the course of a few decades. Currency inflation takes effect and the cars become more advanced with more features. A 2047 Genesis will surely cost more, in much the same way A 1980s Buick wasn't $30k. If anything drives prices up, it'll be fancier dealerships with more customer amenities. The Genesis sedan remained a relatively inexpensive car when it became the G80. It got a minor price bump as Hyundai consolidated equipment packages by converting option packages to standard equipment. There's no reason to expect a big change to the brands or their value proposition.

 

[ballistic]

i think halo cars like the k900 and stinger gt can only serve to bring pricing up across the board. cars like those make the brand more appealing to buyers.

 

[app_master]

It is the right care for MY money. This car will put Kia on everyones radar for sure. We don't get the k900 here either, so most people are not too aware of the quality they are (able to) producing.

 

[Brian Keenan]

It is the right care for MY money. This car will put Kia on everyones radar for sure. We don't get the k900 here either, so most people are not too aware of the quality they are (able to) producing.

Do you get the Cadenza over there? The Cadenza is a pretty high quality car as well. The inside is really nice. The K900 does take a big step UP from the Cadenza and that's where I'm thinking the Stinger will be. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be surprised by this car. Especially if there's no K900 or Cadenza.

 

[app_master]

Do you get the Cadenza over there? The Cadenza is a pretty high quality car as well. The inside is really nice. The K900 does take a big step UP from the Cadenza and that's where I'm thinking the Stinger will be. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be surprised by this car. Especially if there's no K900 or Cadenza.

Nah no Cadenza either. The Kia range here tops out with the Sorento and Optima "GT Line". A lot of people should be very surprised, including me.

 

[hej]

Do you get the Cadenza over there? The Cadenza is a pretty high quality car as well. The inside is really nice. The K900 does take a big step UP from the Cadenza and that's where I'm thinking the Stinger will be. I'm sure a lot of people are going to be surprised by this car. Especially if there's no K900 or Cadenza.

The Stinger looks like it'll live up to the high end performance promises Kia has been making, but in terms of the interior it's safe to say based on all the media we've seen so far, it's going to be much more Optima than K900.

 

[app_master]

The Stinger looks like it'll live up to the high end performance promises Kia has been making, but in terms of the interior it's safe to say based on all the media we've seen so far, it's going to be much more Optima than K900.

This guy reckons it's better than the k900 interior...one man's opinion though...see time 3:16

 

[hej]

This guy reckons it's better than the k900 interior...one man's opinion though...see time 3:16

I've seen this on a couple of tmes. I do agree that the interior is going to be "good", but there are still some elements of cheapness about it as best I can tell. Have a look at the interview with Bob Lutz starting at about the 7:45 mark.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-sho...s-what-bob-lutz-thinks-about-the-kia-stinger/

Also, maybe I'm just being a bit critical, but the intotainment screen looks pretty low rent. I'll admit, these guys have seen the car in person and I haven't. But it still seems like a bit of a stretch to put it on par with a K900 or other luxury cars. Then again, maybe the K900 just isn't as nice as I thought it was.

 

[ballistic]

Also, maybe I'm just being a bit critical, but the intotainment screen looks pretty low rent. I'll admit, these guys have seen the car in person and I haven't. But it still seems like a bit of a stretch to put it on par with a K900 or other luxury cars. Then again, maybe the K900 just isn't as nice as I thought it was.

the k900 is pretty good. really good. but if you sit in a lexus ls, audi a8, bmw 7 or mercedes s class you know it's not top quality. but for most people it's excellent. most people don't need the absolute very best. close enough is close enough. i think if the stinger has interior quality noticeably lower than the k900 it would be a mistake for kia. hopefully it's on par because imho that's where it needs to be.

 

[hej]

the k900 is pretty good. really good. but if you sit in a lexus ls, audi a8, bmw 7 or mercedes s class you know it's not top quality. but for most people it's excellent. most people don't need the absolute very best. close enough is close enough. i think if the stinger has interior quality noticeably lower than the k900 it would be a mistake for kia. hopefully it's on par because imho that's where it needs to be.

Maybe the K900 is lower end than I thought then. So yeah, in that case, the Stinger probably matches it.

 

[Renfield]

Not only for the money but best car ever. Focus on the car, dont let an unscrupulous dealer rain on your parade.

 

[Renfield]

Not only for the money but best car ever. Focus on the car, dont let an unscrupulous dealer rain on your parade.

My grandson is an automotive engineer who co-oped for BMW. He test drove a Stinger at an auto show and was convinced the KIA Stinger was the best car ever for its price. Kudos to the young KIA engineers who worked with former BMW and Audi engineers to produce the Stinger.

 

[Socalstinga]

If the stinger stands the test of time in reliability durability and quality, it’s probably the best performance/luxury proposition ina long long time if ever. Being the halo car, I see it upping prices across the board. Hopefully the Kia heads continue w/ the value/quality of the entire brand.

 

[bumble bee]

Truly think you can't go wrong with that ride.

 

[Waynerm002]

This may be the start of something different for KIA and they came out making a pretty darn good impression. This car is an enthusiast’s dream! A lot of folks think it’s too much for a KIA (some enthusiasts as well) and won’t even look at it. While the company has upped their quality and reliability over the years over some of those big names, for some all they see is the logo and not the car. I’ve said it before and am saying it again, I think the majority of folks picking up this car are enthusiasts. Getting the top spec for about $41k our the door (based on the current discount and lease rebate) makes this car an even better bargain! We know it pretty much drive like a European vehicle for less money than theirs with similar performance, it has more space and options and is comfortable to be in, not to mention it’s a great looking vehicle.

Based on what they are doing with their other vehicles, I think they make some of the best looking vehicles around with some great features and options. I think in a few years, they will be known as a company that makes great performing cars similar to the top guys but priced more reasonable.