Did anyone downgrade from pilot sport 4 to pilot sport A/S 3+
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westcoastGT
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there are lots of excellent UHPAS options beyond Michelin , see my sig , these have proven to excellent , also the Conti DWS are very good as well ...............
itguy61
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I did exactly that because I wanted longer tire life. I bought my car used with 12K miles on it and the rear tires were just about gone. I did research and found that many people were having to replace the PS4 tires withing 15k miles and doing this that often would be too expensive. I only got the drive the car for a couple of weeks with PS4 tires on and they were worn out in the rear. I like the tires, I don't drive that hard so the small trade off in performance is not that big of a deal.
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I have 14k miles, and my front right tires is falling apart with treads peeling off. Spending $1200 on tires every 8 months is way too expensive. How is the wear on the AS3+?
itguy61
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I have put about 7K miles on them and they look real good. I will try to do a tread depth measurement when I get home to see exactly how they are doing. I prefer Michelin tires overall, I feel like they don't have some of the issues other brands can have as far quality stuff.
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MerlintheMad
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I have Nitto Motivo UHP A/S tires for the more wintery months. I've put c. 5K miles on them so far. They are fine if you don't hoon the curves: you can drive "spiritedly", but just know that no A/S is going to grip like an UHP summer tire does. The reason why I didn't go with Michelin A/S or some other brand is because the price on the Motivo's was right and that 60K treadlife warranty is the best for an UHP A/S tire: I should get well over 30K miles out of them, the way I typically drive. (I got over 18K out of my OEM Michelins in the back and 22K out of the front.)
Oryan
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Not much of a downgrade on the street. A/S 3+ tires will outperform some mid-tier dedicated summer tires. Granted mine are wider and on a bigger wheel, but as far as handling goes, there isn't a real step down as far as I can tell. I don't feel any less confident or in control with these when pushing hard in a turn and I have had them let go on me a couple of times but it was very controllable. Then again, springs and such also went on with the wheels/tires. PS4's would show their advantage once you get a lot of heat into them. Their ultimate grip will be higher when they're warmed up, especially lateral grip, but if you aren't pushing the car to that point, there won't be much of a loss you'd notice going to good all-seasons. Plus, they'll always grip better when it gets cold and VA gets cold enough, long enough, to make summer tires hard to run all year but we don't get enough snow or get frigid enough to warrant getting a set of winter tires.
moinmoin
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It wouldn't be a "downgrade" at all, I consider it a great tire!
Took possession of the car late December 2017 and drove it directly from the dealer to Costco to have it clad with the A/S3+, as the PS4 is of little use in Ontario's winter. At 23K km, they are still going strong. Mind you, while I enjoy "spirited driving", I don't drift around corners, nor is my acceleration from a standing start "eye-watering", so your mileage may vary. Breaking is great in the rain. (Had to test it today...involuntarily). You may want to have a look at TireRack's ratings & recommendations for this and other A/S tires. Good luck with your choice.
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I replaced the PS4 stock tires with A/S3+ after about 7,000 miles on the stock rubber. It wasn't due to wear but because I was debating a winter set and budgeting/storage logistics were complicated at the time.
The A/S3+ has routinely been touted as closer to a summer tire than traditional all-season. Having owned winter sets before, I can attest that it is not a winter tire by any stretch but will get you by in colder months.
The A/S3+ grips well but lacks sufficient warning before breaking loose. It's easy to push hard but you need to be familiar with its adhesion limits. The tires do very, very well for an all-season tire, performance-wise. Noise generation is borderline unacceptable. I had considered the Continental DWS06 and had a tough time choosing. I might look at those when these are ready to be replaced, but at 10,000 miles on the Michelin A/S3+, I have a long way to go. Treadlife has been excellent so far and it looks like these will last a decent range. Sidewall is stiff, but not punishing, and is resistant to impact failure (i.e., bubbles). Wet weather traction is good. Hydroplaning resistance could use some improvement but is acceptable.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the A/S3+, having lived with them for a year. We'll see how I feel as time moves on. My biggest gripe is the noise, though. The sound insulation in the Stinger is limited as it is and these tires are by no means quiet.
The A/S3+ has routinely been touted as closer to a summer tire than traditional all-season. Having owned winter sets before, I can attest that it is not a winter tire by any stretch but will get you by in colder months.
The A/S3+ grips well but lacks sufficient warning before breaking loose. It's easy to push hard but you need to be familiar with its adhesion limits. The tires do very, very well for an all-season tire, performance-wise. Noise generation is borderline unacceptable. I had considered the Continental DWS06 and had a tough time choosing. I might look at those when these are ready to be replaced, but at 10,000 miles on the Michelin A/S3+, I have a long way to go. Treadlife has been excellent so far and it looks like these will last a decent range. Sidewall is stiff, but not punishing, and is resistant to impact failure (i.e., bubbles). Wet weather traction is good. Hydroplaning resistance could use some improvement but is acceptable.
Overall, I'm satisfied with the A/S3+, having lived with them for a year. We'll see how I feel as time moves on. My biggest gripe is the noise, though. The sound insulation in the Stinger is limited as it is and these tires are by no means quiet.
Is it louder than ps4? I think the ps4 is already plenty loud
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moinmoin
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Hard to say. I find noise generated and transmitted into the car depends also on the type of road surface and finish, old & new asphalt sounds different, so does concrete. Also during and after rain. Sometimes it is loud and at other times I find it dead quiet.
itguy61
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Compared to the PS4, in my experience over the same road surfaces, yes. The softer rubber of the PS4 was more muted than the A/S3+.
itguy61
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I agree on the sound volume. These are a bit louder although I don't have a point of reference as compared to other AS ultra high performance tires. I have heard the continentals are quiet but induce squishier steering response.
Yes, did this two weeks ago. Primarily for the longer tread life. Costco total price for Pilot Sport A/S3+ came to $888 after the $150 off promotion they are offering. I don't notice any significant road noise increase from the PS4 that were on it.
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itguy61
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You got four for that price? Installed?
