22-23 Borla valved exhaust review

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So I just installed the Borla active valve exhaust. First impression was, why is GM the only company that can make a valved exhaust with a quiet side and a loud side. My Z06 sounds like a 1.8 liter NA camry with the valves closed and a supercharged V8 with them open. Absolutely perfect for either leaving a neighborhood really early or being on the highway and NOT wanting to hear the drone of a loud exhaust after an hour, and conversely WANTING it super loud when ripping it on back roads.

If I were to rate exhaust level from 1 to 10, one being NA base camry and 10 being straight pipes. I'd say factory stinger is a 2 with valves closed and a 4 valves open.
Borla is like a 6 valves closed and 7 valves open.
I also had the JUN BL, which was a 2 valves closed and 5 valves open.
Can't re-iterate enough my confusion of a company making a valved exhaust and having virtually no difference between the two versions because I KNOW it is possible to get it right since my corvette does it perfectly.
Sound quality isn't bad, a little raspy but similar to the JUN except a bit louder.
The tips are a solid 4 inches back from the actual rear of the car so I'm going to make extensions to see if that helps rasp, drone or whatever. Can't make it worse. Overall sound is fine other than the fact that somebody completely missed the boat on what a valved exhaust is supposed to achieve.

Install was fine but the directions regarding swapping the factory valve controllers was poor at best. The directions said to line up the spring on the controller with the slot on the new valve (same as factory design). No problem, except for the fact that the slot position vs controller is arbitrary and apparently the controller just rotates once active until it "keys" into the slot and then from there rotates between full closed and open no problem. (it must be able to continually spin until it finds its limits and there is NO WAY to do this manually, you must install it and connect to the car plug) One of mine lined up perfectly and the other was 90 degrees out of position so it absolutely, no chance would key in. I wasted almost an hour going back and forth between the factory valves and controllers on my stock system to try and figure out what I was doing wrong. . . .which turned out to be NOTHING. They simply won't line up in some cases and all you have to do is install the controllers and tighten them down and hook it up in place to the factory connection and let the valves cycle one time and they'll key themselves in. That one single sentence right there would have saved me an hour. Just one single sentence added to the SINGLE sentence they put in regarding the valves. This would have increased the entire length of the instructions from about 8 sentences to 9 along with about 5 pictures that were so small you can't see them anyway.

Last complaint is that Borla does not utilize the cross brace behind the differential like the factory system and the JUN system use, so there was no tab on the exhaust to bolt that brace to. Plus, Borla connections are just compression bands and not flanges like factory or JUN, so IMO they can't be as rigid since they're relying on nothing but friction in the joints to stop rotation. The mufflers want to sag down on the outside which pushes the pipes together near the diff. That's the whole point of the brace at that spot.
Bottom line I didn't have confidence they wouldn't be bouncing around like a shitbox so I brought them to work on Sunday and welded on two measly little tabs (as pics show) to re-use the factory brace. Now it's totally rigid but mind boggling they skimped on putting that little tab on there and basically rely on the torsional rigidity of 6 feet of thin tubing to prevent the mufflers from bouncing. PXL_20241103_131529700.webpPXL_20241103_131534351.webpPXL_20241103_154723289.webp
 
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in case anyone is interested in seeing what the factory "resonators" look like inside.
Perforated tube wrapped in a relatively fine mesh with fiberglass packed all around.
used to be called glass packs as far as I'm concernedPXL_20241109_171636558.webpPXL_20241109_171601460.webp
 
also just put on some 4" pipe extensions to get them to the actual rear of the car
Did actually make a good difference in toning down some rasp so it's much nicer now
No idea why these people don't just make the pipes out of the muffler longer, it would be so simple
 
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I feel the same way. That brace would help for sure. I am switching to the mbrp pro active real soon and this makes me wonder if i should get a muffler shop to do what you did to provide better stability. I wanna go back to getting a bit deeper tone. I'll keep the borla still and I'll see what I'll like more in the future. I am not i aint only one with two catbacks. :)

I kinda also like the valve implementation better on the mbrp pro. Every damn company doesn't make the muffler pipes longer so that it extends further out. At least i always have tips on and they definitely help with drone and some rasp.
 
oh doesn't the MBRP have those tabs either?

yeah I'll admit if not for reading on here about the tips reducing drone I would never have thought of that solution. But it made a huge difference.
I still don't understand why they don't make the pipes coming from the muffler 4" longer because there's plenty of room to put them in place when installing this.
 
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Quick question, I came across your post and am just starting to do some research on options to replace my factory exhaust. I am looking for something like you mentioned of a 2 or 3 with valves closed when idling and a more deep sounding when you get on it but not a "drone" sound when on the highway. I have a BMW M240 that the factory exhaust on sounds amazing. Pretty much exactly what I am looking for on my stinger. Any recommendations on brands/product lines?
 
Quick question, I came across your post and am just starting to do some research on options to replace my factory exhaust. I am looking for something like you mentioned of a 2 or 3 with valves closed when idling and a more deep sounding when you get on it but not a "drone" sound when on the highway. I have a BMW M240 that the factory exhaust on sounds amazing. Pretty much exactly what I am looking for on my stinger. Any recommendations on brands/product lines?
you mean for a 240 not a stinger?
I don't really know what's out there for that car that has a valved system. The valved systems are pretty few and far between, especially if they use the factory controllers which is really nice. I had the JUN BL but that one needed a new controller module mounted in the trunk, which required a keyed power source so I had to tap into a fuse box and then it used remotes. Kind of a pain setting all that up and keeping a stupid remote in your car to switch them. Plus the controller stopped working reliably after 2 years so they'd stay stuck in whatever position they were left in and maybe randomly work if I kept trying it day after day. They wanted $400 for the stupid little box that probably cost them $14 from china.
Bottom line I would only do it going forward with something that uses the factory controller
 
Honestly i agree with the idea to use the factory valve controller connectors that come with the car. I am not a fan of those boxes either.

I have a wireless valve controller but it uses the factory wiring so it's pretty good and i have it programmed to my garage door opener on the rear view mirror. When i get the mbrp pro active put in i am probably just gonna go back to factory configuration and take out the wireless valve controller i have now. It was about $200 so not bad. I am not sure eithe what bmw exhaust even uses the factory connectors. All I've seen come with its own box.
 
I've had the 2022+ Borla exhaust about a year now and I had the same initial thoughts--normal mode doesn't really sound that much different than sport mode. I do feel like the difference became a little more pronounced over time though. Or that could be me just getting used to the exhaust.

The vast majority of my driving these days is in normal or Eco mode, until I want to get frisky in Sport. The main thing to keep in mind when testing the exhaust sound is the valves open earlier in the RPM range in Sport. You have to also make sure you're still in the same gear when changing modes. Changing to Sport mode will sometimes drop the car into a lower gear at a higher RPM. It's best to just put the car in manual shifting mode, with ESC/TSC both turned off (so car doesn't auto upshift on redline), and maintain the same speed and same RPM while changing between modes.

With all that being said, I completely agree--why can't Borla/MBRP/others make longer exhaust pipes? It makes no damn sense, besides this being intentional so they can sell us their $1000+ exhaust tips.
 
^agreed on everything
yeah I drive in comfort mode auto vs sport paddle shifting about 50/50
comfort at 6am on my way into work, sport on the way home

That's why I wish the quiet mode was a lot quieter. If you want to just chill and drive casually it's nice for a quiet exhaust and obviously
if you feel like getting on it more you open them up

Now that I put tips on it I wish quiet mode was one degree lower and I wish loud mode was one degree louder
 
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I'll be curious to see how the mbrp pro active will be. Pretty excited to be honest. I've had borla for a long time, the previous non valved to the valved version. Craving the deeper done. It's arriving this friday so probably will get it installed in 2 weeks or so when the bit larger tips arrive as well. I figured I'd get new tips than try to use the 2.25 inch inlet ones just so it makes it easier to sell or whatever in future. Plus I am just anal about proper fitment. :laugh:

Funny thing about exhausts is that you can never trust a video online. In person is only way to truly know and under driving conditions instead of just revving at a standstill. I'll probably post a review later and compare it to the borla active that I have now. This time I'll take some more pictures probably and some videos.

Oh forgot to mention I also have the ark DP that I really love. So going to be a nice combo with the mbrp pro active which I've never heard in person. I think it's a real must have if you want that sweet aggressive tone and obviously want it louder. But it really changes the tone nicely. I remember when I got it with the borla nonvalved i felt like I got a new catback system. :D:cool:
 
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definitely interested in your opinion between the two, because I couldn't agree more picking an exhaust based on worthless videos is barely better than just flipping a coin. No way in hell to have any idea what it will be like inside the car under various load conditions from any video
 
i had a dude in Oakville, Ontario, drove past me in a 2018 Stinger, 3.3TT. just like mine except mines is a 2023.

he told me he had Borla as his exhaust, downpipes and a LAP3 ECU tune. the burbles, pops and bangs on that car was amazing!!! blew me out the water.
borla is your best bet for sound
 
Haha yeah i remember getting props from a guy in a suv asking me what car that is and how amazing it sounded. Doesn't disappoint! It's that mid pipe/dp that makes all the difference!

Going to be fun finally hearing the mbrp pro + ark dp soon. Oh yeah gonna be waking up my neighbors who I give zero fack about. :laugh:
 
yeah I feel like turbo cars simply can't have as good a sound as na or supercharged just because you have to route all the exhaust through that turbo which has to affect it. compared to just being able to send each cylinder to a collector and out the back.
It's like the turbo just blends all the cylinder pulses into one

I'm sure a downpipe, mid pipe make a huge difference but just can't get the same result as non turbo
 
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I was watching a video of someone here who got the mbro pro active with ark using stock exhaust rings that they had pretty bad drone and they added the mbro pro resonators and tips in same time.

Honestly it kinda killed the character of the exhaust and made it sound kinda muffled. He did say he wished he tried tips first for a better comparison so that's what I am gonna be doing. I know exhaust tips on our cars are really great for drone and overall help move the noise outside of the car where it needs to be. Never been a huge fan of adding more resonators to an exhaust that has valves especially but i guess we'll see. I am not that sensitive to drone anyway. Everyone is different.
 
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I mentioned this elsewhere before, but I came from a 2019 V6 Camaro with the factory valved exhaust I looooooovvvedd it. It is one of the best N/A V6 sounds in a modern car. I will die on that hill lol.

It's not an apples to apples comparison with the Stinger since we have turbos. But you know what twin turbo V6 car exhaust I love? The Mitsubishi 3000GT/GTO. If the Stinger could sound like that (or the Camaro) I would be in heaven:


 
Oh man those 3000GT's were such iconic 90's cars. I remember test driving one when I was in my early 20's at a dealership. Was definitely a fun ride. They have a unique sound to them. They definitely are pretty rare to see now. I sometimes see one but very rarely and they are usually stock.
 
Haha yeah i remember getting props from a guy in a suv asking me what car that is and how amazing it sounded. Doesn't disappoint! It's that mid pipe/dp that makes all the difference!

Going to be fun finally hearing the mbrp pro + ark dp soon. Oh yeah gonna be waking up my neighbors who I give zero fack about. :laugh:
sounds like fun, i’m looking into a Downpipe and Catback Borla exhuaust onto the car asap
 
It's going to be pretty loud lol. I do recommend doing just the catback first and see if that's loud enough for you. The dp will bring deeper tone and be much louder. Make sure you get exhaust tips put on! :D
 
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