3.3t manifold research

Thanks... now i gotta remove mine lol

They were coming off for ceramic coating and hi-temp wrap but i am definitely doing this as well now!
 
Thanks... now i gotta remove mine lol

They were coming off for ceramic coating and hi-temp wrap but i am definitely doing this as well now!
That’s great ! You’ll need to grind the wastegate flapper to remove it. It’ll give you more access. Stainless filler wire is needed to put it back together. You don’t need to cut the manifold because these no porting that needs to be done except for the wastegate

Do a water leak test before putting it back together. Should only slowly leak the water out. A perfect seal isn’t 100% necessary
 
Absolutely Salubrious !!
 
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So great news. This (photo below) is ported out to 26mm (relatively circle).
Nice work! Are you going to run these with stock CHRAs, or go for stuffed/pure turbos? Would be great to see a dyno with everything else stock, but pairing this modification with upgraded wheels could be awesome.

Are you doing the install yourself?
 
Nice work! Are you going to run these with stock CHRAs, or go for stuffed/pure turbos? Would be great to see a dyno with everything else stock, but pairing this modification with upgraded wheels could be awesome.

Are you doing the install yourself?
I’ll run them stock first to see what they can really do. I will do the turbo removal myself

This was just a spare turbo I brought on eBay to investigate.
 
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I’ll run them stock first to see what they can really do. I will do the turbo removal myself

This was just a spare turbo I brought on eBay to investigate.
Ok looking forward to the results. Are you dropping the engine, or do you think you can get the turbos out while on the car?
 
Ok looking forward to the results. Are you dropping the engine, or do you think you can get the turbos out while on the car?
I’m sure I can do them while on the car. I tell probably take a weekend but I’m not ready to do this yet until spring 2025
 
I’m sure I can do them while on the car.
I don't know if you're intending to do a writeup, but if you get a chance to take pictures or notes along the way, that could be a huge help for other Stinger owners that want to upgrade.

From the poking around I've done, the area around the turbos seems very tight, and we don't have anywhere near the resources higher volume cars like BMWs do for home gamers, so having tips & tricks or things to watch out for would be a big addition to the modding community.
 
Waste gate opened to 28mm. A 95% increase in area !

180% between both turbos.

Before and after.
 

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-Wastegate opening enlarged to 28mm
-Wastegate flapper enlarged to seal opening
-Tested with water for leaks and it’s sealed 100%
 

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Tig welded manifold.
ER308L rod
 

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Waste gate opened to 28mm. A 95% increase in area !
180% between both turbos.
This is awesome work. But it should be 95% overall, because each wastegate increases that much (2x20 to 2x28mm).

I messed around a bit with ChatGPT. Obviously there are a lot of guesstimates (for example, I have no idea if our wastegates really pass 15-30% of total exhaust flow at high rpm) so take it with a huge grain of salt, but here's what I got after feeding it details on the Stinger engine, torque & power curves, and asking it to compare to measured flow rates on similar engines. I also asked about stuffed turbos at 600hp.

But keep in mind it's just taking peak horsepower, approximating total flow, estimating what portion goes through the wastegate, and then how much the bigger WG will increase flow. Relieving backpressure on the turbine should also improve its efficiency, but ChatGPT said it couldn't directly calculate that, and only provided a further 5-10% power gain as a guideline. Those values are even bigger than the flow-based ones, and are in parentheses in the last two columns:

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Engine SetupWastegate DiameterArea IncreaseWG Flow IncreaseWG % FlowEngine Flow IncreaseTotal Engine Flow (CFM)Total Flow Incr (CFM)Horsepower Gain (Low Estimate)Horsepower Gain (High Estimate)
Stock Engine (368 hp)26mm+69%+48% to +62%+15% to +30%+7.2% to +18.6%530 CFM+22.8 to +32.3 CFM+11-18 hp (+18-37 hp)+15-24 hp (+18-37 hp)
Stock Engine (368 hp)28mm+96%+67% to +86%+15% to +30%+10.1% to +25.8%530 CFM+35.6 to +45.5 CFM+15-24 hp (+22-37 hp)+21-32 hp (+22-37 hp)
Tuned Engine (485 hp)26mm+69%+48% to +62%+15% to +30%+7.2% to +18.6%698.4 CFM+30.0 to +42.5 CFM+15-24 hp (+24-48 hp)+21-32 hp (+24-48 hp)
Tuned Engine (485 hp)28mm+96%+67% to +86%+15% to +30%+10.1% to +25.8%698.4 CFM+46.9 to +60.0 CFM+21-32 hp (+29-54 hp)+29-43 hp (+29-54 hp)
Stuffed Turbos (600 hp)26mm+69%+48% to +62%+15% to +30%+7.2% to +18.6%864 CFM+37.2 to +52.6 CFM+18-28 hp (+30-60 hp)+25-38 hp (+30-60 hp)
Stuffed Turbos (600 hp)28mm+96%+67% to +86%+15% to +30%+10.1% to +25.8%864 CFM+58.0 to +74.4 CFM+25-38 hp (+35-60 hp)+34-50 hp (+35-60 hp)
 
This is awesome work. But it should be 95% overall, because each wastegate increases that much (2x20 to 2x28mm).

I messed around a bit with ChatGPT. Obviously there are a lot of guesstimates (for example, I have no idea if our wastegates really pass 15-30% of total exhaust flow at high rpm) so take it with a huge grain of salt, but here's what I got after feeding it details on the Stinger engine, torque & power curves, and asking it to compare to measured flow rates on similar engines. I also asked about stuffed turbos at 600hp.

But keep in mind it's just taking peak horsepower, approximating total flow, estimating what portion goes through the wastegate, and then how much the bigger WG will increase flow. Relieving backpressure on the turbine should also improve its efficiency, but ChatGPT said it couldn't directly calculate that, and only provided a further 5-10% power gain as a guideline. Those values are even bigger than the flow-based ones, and are in parentheses in the last two columns:

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Engine SetupWastegate DiameterArea IncreaseWG Flow IncreaseWG % FlowEngine Flow IncreaseTotal Engine Flow (CFM)Total Flow Incr (CFM)Horsepower Gain (Low Estimate)Horsepower Gain (High Estimate)
Stock Engine (368 hp)26mm+69%+48% to +62%+15% to +30%+7.2% to +18.6%530 CFM+22.8 to +32.3 CFM+11-18 hp (+18-37 hp)+15-24 hp (+18-37 hp)
Stock Engine (368 hp)28mm+96%+67% to +86%+15% to +30%+10.1% to +25.8%530 CFM+35.6 to +45.5 CFM+15-24 hp (+22-37 hp)+21-32 hp (+22-37 hp)
Tuned Engine (485 hp)26mm+69%+48% to +62%+15% to +30%+7.2% to +18.6%698.4 CFM+30.0 to +42.5 CFM+15-24 hp (+24-48 hp)+21-32 hp (+24-48 hp)
Tuned Engine (485 hp)28mm+96%+67% to +86%+15% to +30%+10.1% to +25.8%698.4 CFM+46.9 to +60.0 CFM+21-32 hp (+29-54 hp)+29-43 hp (+29-54 hp)
Stuffed Turbos (600 hp)26mm+69%+48% to +62%+15% to +30%+7.2% to +18.6%864 CFM+37.2 to +52.6 CFM+18-28 hp (+30-60 hp)+25-38 hp (+30-60 hp)
Stuffed Turbos (600 hp)28mm+96%+67% to +86%+15% to +30%+10.1% to +25.8%864 CFM+58.0 to +74.4 CFM+25-38 hp (+35-60 hp)+34-50 hp (+35-60 hp)
That’s good work!

The stock engines wastegates are only 20mm in diameter. Could you add 100% stock specs to the graph for comparisons sake
 
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Will the compressor side be enought to increase power?

Its a pretty small C of like 43 mm something and max this out the efficiency will go down a lot with increased temp as a result Does anyone have a C-flow map?
 
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Will the compressor side be enought to increase power?

Its a pretty small C of like 43 mm something and max this out the efficiency will go down a lot with increased temp as a result Does anyone have a C-flow map?
If you want a larger sized compressor I’d go with the turbo kits “stuffed turbos” they seem like the best oem upgrade turbos to me

The only thing I don’t like about them is that they didn’t port the waste gates the are still a measly 20mm.

If you reached out to Garrett Honeywell professionally they might give you the turbo information.
 
If you want a larger sized compressor I’d go with the turbo kits “stuffed turbos” they seem like the best oem upgrade turbos to me

The only thing I don’t like about them is that they didn’t port the waste gates the are still a measly 20mm.

If you reached out to Garrett Honeywell professionally they might give you the turbo information.
I have Garrett's catalog but the ones that provide the stuffed turbos don't seems to be so informative what C-wheel they use. I guess they go for a 47 or 49 mm that it can be room for in stock house.
 
I have Garrett's catalog but the ones that provide the stuffed turbos don't seems to be so informative what C-wheel they use. I guess they go for a 47 or 49 mm that it can be room for in stock house.
Yes, since I have the oem turbo in my basement I will measure the compressor size and determine the largest diameter wheel that can be installed on the stock housing
 
Yes, since I have the oem turbo in my basement I will measure the compressor size and determine the largest diameter wheel that can be installed on the stock housing
Good!
I think C inlet is 44 mm if I remember. So 49 mm can probably fit, I guess that will make around 50 more hp/turbo, 100 total.
 
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