2.5t with Map 2 JB4 Dragy results

[Dan00Hawk]

When my AWD 2.5t was stock with 18" wheels on snowtires, it ran a 14.1 @ 99mph and a 6.1 0 to 60 mph with launch control on Dragy.

Now at 28k miles, on 19" wheels, JB4 Map 2 and Spectre filter, it ran a 13.7 @ 103.8 and a 5.6 0 to 60 (5.35 with 1' rollout like car mags test). Launch control also used.

Still slower than a 3.3tt, of course, but respectable bump in power for my needs.

 

[stoopid]

Mid 5 seconds is good for a 4 banger.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

Mid 5 seconds is good for a 4 banger.

I may try upping to Map 3 or 4 with some E30 if we get some good weather also, and see if that can drop to low 5's.

 

[idkdude123]

Both runs on snow tires? I wonder how much WHP Map 2 puts down.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

Both runs on snow tires? I wonder how much WHP Map 2 puts down.

No, only my stock 18" wheels have snowtires. 19" are just all seasons which I didn't mention since I figured most would realize I don't have 2 sets of snowtires.

BMS website has a dyno chart for the 2.5t which shows Map 1 and Map 4. Based on my trap speed improvement, I'd say I picked up close to 50 hp, which is pretty much right between Map 1 and 4 on their chart.

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[idkdude123]

Ah I'm dumb good point lol.

Wonder where Kia got the 5.2 stock 0-60 on the 2.5t. Motortrend got 5.7 but even then idk.

What's your best run ever stock (or map 0 I guess)?

 

[JSolo]

I'm missing something. Why do a 0-60 or 1/4mi run on winter tires? Winter tires are soft and squishy. Great for snow or driving in cold temps. On the other hand, I suppose in warm temps they are sticky but not so great for wear.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

I'm missing something. Why do a 0-60 or 1/4mi run on winter tires? Winter tires are soft and squishy. Great for snow or driving in cold temps. On the other hand, I suppose in warm temps they are sticky but not so great for wear.

It was my baseline run on stock wheels last winter, not recently. I swapped to snow tires almost immediately on the 18" wheels and sold the stock 18" all seasons while they still had value. It gripped fine and didn't spin, being that I'm AWD, so I don't think it made a big impact in the acceleration test.

I'm still on my 19" all season tires right now, which is how I ran the Map 2 test.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

Ah I'm dumb good point lol.

Wonder where Kia got the 5.2 stock 0-60 on the 2.5t. Motortrend got 5.7 but even then idk.

What's your best run ever stock (or map 0 I guess)?

Motortrend's test includes a 1 foot rollout. My AWD stock 6.1 on Dragy is also a 5.85 with a 1 foot rollout, which is about on par with the 5.7 Motortrend got with their lighter test car being RWD. My Map 2 5.60 is a 5.35 with the 1 foot rollout.

No clue how Kia claims a 5.2, unless it was a light RWD with a 90 lb test driver, 1/2 gallon of gas in the tank, spare tire removed, a strong tail wind, and below sea level air density. And even then...

 

[kielbasa]

Kia lies, the same was with 2.0L engine. They claimed 6.1sec, whereas no one could make it below 7.
Anyways, good to see someone posting 2.5L results. Did You make any mods to Your car?
I'm wondering how does jb4 behave once the car is stock, in comparison to the car that has the turbo upgrade, IC, downpipe and so on? You'll get more power respectively? AFR, EGT is somehow controlled?

 

[NYBIOMED]

Kia lies, the same was with 2.0L engine. They claimed 6.1sec, whereas no one could make it below 7.
Anyways, good to see someone posting 2.5L results. Did You make any mods to Your car?
I'm wondering how does jb4 behave once the car is stock, in comparison to the car that has the turbo upgrade, IC, downpipe and so on? You'll get more power respectively? AFR, EGT is somehow controlled?

I doubt anyone will offer an IC upgrade, as the 2.5T already comes with an IC upgrade- it’s both air and water cooled, unlike all the others from what I have read.

 

[kielbasa]

Some aftermarket Intercoolers will still be available, but maybe not PnP.
But looking at the graphs for genesis 2.5 and results given in this thread, this engine seems to be quite maxed out already.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

Some aftermarket Intercoolers will still be available, but maybe not PnP.
But looking at the graphs for genesis 2.5 and results given in this thread, this engine seems to be quite maxed out already.

It's difficult to guess that it's maxed out or not, since nobody has done a downpipe (not available), a true intake (not available beyond a generic cone filter) or run more than E30 on it, or played around with custom maps. I'm not going further with mods on mine as it's my daily driver for work and family duty.

If one wants more power and speed than what a JB4 provides for the 2.5t, though, then they are better served by just trading for a 3.3 Stinger. Which is why I suspect there really won't be much aftermarket development for the 2.5t as there is minimal demand.

 

[JSolo]

^^2.5T for the older generation of stinger owners .

 

[kielbasa]

then they are better served by just trading for a 3.3 Stinger.

On the one hand yes, on the other - not really as there would have been the same with a 2.0L while there isn't. A lot of aftermarket development is still available for this engine like intakes, exhausts etc and there are even some people who modded their 4 bangers to make 0-60 in less than 5sec.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

On the one hand yes, on the other - not really as there would have been the same with a 2.0L while there isn't. A lot of aftermarket development is still available for this engine like intakes, exhausts etc and there are even some people who modded their 4 bangers to make 0-60 in less than 5sec.

Yes, there are more mods, tuning, and even bigger turbo options available for the 2.0 for those that have that engine and don't want to switch to a 3.3. But those options simply don't exist for the 2.5t, and now on the 2nd and final model year of the 2.5t for the Stinger, I don't anticipate much to change as there really isn't enough demand to justify development of those aftermarket parts. The 2.5t engine also exists on other platforms, of course, like the Sorento, Santa Cruz, Genesis GV, and K5/Sonata, etc... so it's possible that further aftermarket development may continue, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. Hence, why someone who really wants more power would have a much quicker and easier route to just trade for a 3.3.

 

[NYBIOMED]

Yes, there are more mods, tuning, and even bigger turbo options available for the 2.0 for those that have that engine and don't want to switch to a 3.3. But those options simply don't exist for the 2.5t, and now on the 2nd and final model year of the 2.5t for the Stinger, I don't anticipate much to change as there really isn't enough demand to justify development of those aftermarket parts. The 2.5t engine also exists on other platforms, of course, like the Sorento, Santa Cruz, Genesis GV, and K5/Sonata, etc... so it's possible that further aftermarket development may continue, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting. Hence, why someone who really wants more power would have a much quicker and easier route to just trade for a 3.3.

It's too bad, BC I think the 2.5T is great with both port/direct injection. I would love to get the $200 TCU mod for my AWD, but Tork doesn't seem interested in doing it...I guess there's little interest in the development for that price. But there's nothing really under $2k...

 

[kielbasa]

I think it's rather a matter of the popularity of a specific car. 2.0 has been on the market for a long time, while 2.5 has been only a year.

Hence, why someone who really wants more power would have a much quicker and easier route to just trade for a 3.3.

Referring to what has been said above - the same thing happens with every car brand, there're 2.0 engines and also much bigger and stronger ones in the sale offer but still, many people owning 2.0 want to mod them and prefer not to trade for those bigger ones.... Mainly the gas mileage and maintenance costs are the reasons.
In the Saab world, there are 2.0 and 2.8 engines and big amount of owners prefer to mod 2.0 due to big possibilities, easier under-hood access, being less prone to heat and so on....
With that said - there are always some reasons, so going the 'bigger engine route' is not always so obvious.
I already saw one guy here in Poland offering TCU upgrade for 2.5 so maybe it's just the matter of time.

 

[Dan00Hawk]

I think it's rather a matter of the popularity of a specific car. 2.0 has been on the market for a long time, while 2.5 has been only a year.




Referring to what has been said above - the same thing happens with every car brand, there're 2.0 engines and also much bigger and stronger ones in the sale offer but still, many people owning 2.0 want to mod them and prefer not to trade for those bigger ones.... Mainly the gas mileage and maintenance costs are the reasons.
In the Saab world, there are 2.0 and 2.8 engines and big amount of owners prefer to mod 2.0 due to big possibilities, easier under-hood access, being less prone to heat and so on....
With that said - there are always some reasons, so going the 'bigger engine route' is not always so obvious.
I already saw one guy here in Poland offering TCU upgrade for 2.5 so maybe it's just the matter of time.

Well, you earlier said the 2.5t was maxed out, so I'm not sure why you're even still going on about this...

Regardless, the folks with the 2.0 and 2.5 that want substantially more power out of these motors are in the vast minority of an already small niche market of vehicles, which is why there is little aftermarket support. There simply isn't enough demand for an aftermarket company to invest R&D into the 4 cylinder Stingers and hope to sell enough at a reasonable price to make a profit. Thus, it's far more reasonable for 4 cylinder Stinger owners to go with the 3.3 if they decide they want power beyond what a JB4 or similar will provide. Yes there are exceptions, as evidenced by the handful of owners that have done more extensive mods on the 4 cylinders. But I'm absolutely certain that far more owners have switched to a 3.3 Stinger instead of trying to get their 2.0 or 2.5 to a 400hp level or beyond. Feel free to disagree with my logic and opinion all you want by talking about the Saab world, but that's a completely different scenario for many reasons especially since they haven't made any cars for the past 12 years.

Perhaps if the Stinger were produced in numbers like the 2.3t and 5.0 Mustangs, then you'd see more performance applications for the 4 cylinder like there are in the Mustang world. But that's not the case with the Stinger, unfortunately.

 

[kielbasa]

Saab was just an example of what people do, regardless of the car brand.
I'm not trying to impose my point of view. I just think, that for many people like myself, 2.5 is a good compromise with lots of arguments behind it. Maybe it works differently in the States but the gas is much cheaper, so be aware that here in Poland we pay 1,6$ per 1 litre of gas which gives around 6,5$ per gallon (~2x more than in the states) while the average salary here is ~3x lower. That should give You an idea of what kind of savings it makes in a long term and how much easier for an average person is to buy/trade for a 3.3 Stinger in the USA, or for a bigger engine in general.