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What makes the Novel Coronavirus unique compared to the flu?

Discussion in 'Novel Coronavirus COVID-19 Forum' started by Kia Stinger, Mar 12, 2020.

  1. MerlintheMad

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  2. MerlintheMad

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    Interesting outing this afternoon; just shopping but not "as usual". Hah. Costco is weird and efficient. They do have three switchbacks, with a row of pallets between to separate rows of shoppers into six feet of distance. And they only allow a certain number of shoppers in the store at a time. It was funny how frustrated I made them: at the checkout I went as directed to "number six" (I am not a number, I am a free man! But, I did not argue.) They had me hold my membership card (wouldn't touch it themselves), but it didn't scan, so, I laid it down, she scanned it, and I put it away. Then they motioned me forward after scanning and totaling my items. I stepped to the chip reader and the entire card reader locked up. They had to delete my card/items, and they took me over to register number seven. This worked, except that my membership card wouldn't scan there either; until she finally noticed that I was partially covering the bar code: heh! I thought that they scanned the card strip, like out at the gas pumps. And then I decided that I do want cashback, and selected $60. Now, they had to go fetch a till because that register did not have one yet. Altogether, I cost them well over five minutes before they could process me and get me out of the store. But, the switchbacks were virtually vacant at that moment, so I wasn't exactly inconveniencing anybody. (Our bathroom renovation guy says that on Saturday morning, the lineup to get inside went around the building. Nuts to that!) As you can see from the pic, waiting to get in, there were shoppers with masks. Actually a fair number of them. And I saw one guy going over his shopping cart thoroughly with sanitizing wipes. You can't actually buy these for anything right now: and the sign out front said that they were out of sanitizer, toilet paper - and, paper towels. Hah. You just know where those paper towels are going when the tp runs out, no matter that we have been implored not to use anything but tp. In LA, I read this morning, people are using rags and trying to flush them. That is definitely going to stuff up the works. People, heh.
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    Costco was also completely out of their Kirkland's brand OJ. Why would there be a run on OJ? Do more people suddenly want to be more healthy? I had to settle for pulpless Tropicana, and there were precious few of those left too.

    I went to Macey's, and lo and behold ONE gallon of distilled water was on the shelf (and NO drinking/purified water, at all; weird). I saw a gal I know who works there and asked if there was any more distilled water in the back, and she said Nope; "we put everything out before opening; we only get about eight cases of distilled water a night coming in; because they have to spread it around the other stores."

    When I put everything away, I went back out, deciding to try Smith's first. Well, that worked like a champ. I don't know what Smith's "secret" is (either keeping nutcases away, or getting a ready supply of distilled water in - it does have their Kroger brand on it) but they had plenty of distilled water. Who would have figured that? I was prepared to go down the road to Herbs For Health to get some, or even WinCo, but so far, that won't be necessary. I now have five and three-quarter gallons of car washing water on hand: that's one gallon more than I have kept in supply prior to this pandemic nonsense. Take that, COVID-19.
     
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  3. eljay

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    Welcome to my world, Merlin. I haven't been able to just waltz into a market for almost two weeks, and in fact have only been out for groceries twice. Once to Walgreen's, which had no lines, but also only had a few undented cans of the "healthier" soup that no one but me will eat and a few of the less-lethal frozen meals. Two days later to Trader Joe's on the other side of town, where I stocked up on as much fresh produce as I thought I could use up before it would spoil or have to be made into "clean-out-the-fridge" soup. I'm going to have to either venture out again by Friday or learn how to use an over-priced delivery service. Not fun here.

    But I'm giving this disease a very wide berth. A friend who's on a charitable board that has a liaison to the WHO and CDC told me that the liaison told the board that they need to raise TWICE their usual donations in the next year to support their immune-compromised clients through this mess because the virus will come in waves, and possibly/probably will mutate between waves. I'm guessing that means that immunity and proven treatments (when we get them!) will not be entirely useful in future waves. I'm going to assume that the liaison was giving a worst-case scenario, not an absolute prediction. But I also know our local hospitals say they only have a two-week supply of what they need to deal with this, and we've already had cases in town.

    Every one take care!
     
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  4. Nuthadey

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    If you buy from Amazon the delivery fees are waived once you spend more than a certain amount. If I remember correctly it's $30 or $35.
     
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    Thanks for the info, but I've tried. Amazon will only deliver fresh produce/frozen food if there's a Whole Foods in the area. They won't deliver to my zip code, even with the current crisis; too ghetto, I guess. I used to go to the nearest WF twice a month; it's 12 miles as the crow flies and 18 miles as the Stinger flies (via freeway). Gee, if they had Stingers, instead of those tippy-tall Prime vans, they'd want to drive to me, just for the fun of it!

    I'll just bite the bullet and go with the local market's delivery service if it comes to that.
     
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    Maybe because of the revitalization of the unproven hypothesis that high doses of Vit C can prevent/treat common cold, some of which are also caused by other strains of coronavirus.
     
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  7. Nasscar

    Nasscar Australia 1000 Posts Club!

    Your story Merlin pretty much resonates with everyone else around the world nowadays. Very strange times. Still can't understand the obsession with the toilet rolls though. Bizarre. I have to say that in the month that this has been going on, I have not bought anything that I would not normally buy. Can't see why this should be different with everyone else.
     
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    You’re buying the rest of the Distilled water so you can wash your car? Or am I reading that wrong?
     
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  9. MerlintheMad

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    What is the most unique feature of this pandemic is that the flu, although proven far more deadly up to this point, does not risk individual liberty like this virus. For some odd reason, "they" tracked this only because it's a new strain and very contagious.

    Corona viruses are not particularly virulent. So, why this one this time? Any new strain of old viruses is going to make inroads on the general population: with old, sick and existing health conditions being the demographic that gets 99% of the fatalities. What is unique about that? (rhetorical question) But this one is getting "spread" on the Medía as a threat that demands ACTION NOW.

    And how docile are "we the people"? Do we let ourselves be ordered around? Lock down; cops patrolling the streets/alleys on foot with sticks (heh! at least one Italian mayor thinks that flamethrowers are the answer to "disobedient" dog-walkers; or at least he said, "We'll send the police with flamethrowers", in typical Italian hyperbolic fashion: but this is the culture that invented opera, ferpetesakes; and everything that Latins say is over the top melodramatic when they get into it). No weddings or funerals. STAY HOME!

    Sure, okay. Except when I want to leave, get in my Stinger and GO, I will do it. And I won't wear a mask (Heh, Putin is sleeping in a hazmat getup, the idiot; "Do you wanna live forever?"). And I won't be tested.

    And I won't be friendly to anyone coming into my friend's slot car shop telling him that his business is not essential so he should close. "See this trigger?" I'm prepared to say. "This trigger is ESSENTIAL to my sense of well being. Now, you have a choice: let us play with these triggers (on our controllers), or, I can resort to THIS trigger." (I move my shirt aside and show the handgun that I carry.):mad::devil::devil::devil::whistle::whistle::whistle::whistle:
     
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    If I put out a rumor that canned air used every five minutes around you positively blows all viruses away, and this goes viral, nobody will be able to buy a can of compressed air anywhere in the world within 48 hours.:rolleyes:
     
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    Possibly yet another effect of ignorance. Lay persons refer to almost any illness as the "flu" when it is in fact and upper respiratory illness. The shits caused by entero (or other) virus is not the flu. Just my observation.
     
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    The State and Federal gov't are trying to protect the old and at risk. There's been no martial law implemented. And it won't/couldn't be across the nation. I'm having to keep my 80+ y/o folks in supplies until this passes. It will be weeks/months before they're unlikely to encounter it in public. They need to stockpile donated plasma with CoV-2 antibodies to offer as a potential treatment for those at risk when it appears that it's 'all clear...'
     
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    I think you better have a look at some of the videos coming out of the ICU's in Italy, it becomes pretty obvious that this is much different animal than the typical flu. When is the last time the flu overloaded hospitals so badly that OR's had to be converted into ICU's and patients were left laying on the floors of hallways throughout hospital? If you haven't come to this realization yet give it another two weeks down there and I bet your tune will change.
     
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    40% of Italy's population are over sixty. They drink and smoke and are overweight in copious numbers, i.e. their health is the shits. Also out of Italy, 99% of the dead have these complicating health issues first. Using Italy as a benchmark for how "deadly" COVID-19 is, is crap reporting: it is picked up by Medía because Neewz thrives on bad neewz. But the danger is how our reaction to it in masses can be exploited going forward.

    "The cure must not be worse than the disease" is the mantra I follow. A historical perspective helps too: the Black Death and the 1919 Influenza Pandemic are good windows on some bad scenarios of pandemics. The more important priority is to keep our economic infrastructure healthy: because if it goes down, we all go down, for unknown years.

    If we take this worldwide reaction as a precedent, then each time going forward that a risk of another pandemic arises, we'll be ready to self-isolate out of the goodness of our hearts. And the cumulative effect on the worldwide economy will be calamitous.

    One billionaire (interesting how HuffPo had to publish their estimated Forbes worth before or after quoting them: as if their wealth somehow invalidates or calls into question their humanity) said that he would rather go back to work and risk death to save the economy for everybody, than be quarantined for his own safety. That is a humanitarian speaking: self sacrifice for the present and future for the good of all. Risk yourself, your very life (he's my age) to keep the economy rolling instead of risking a collapse. Far more people will die from privation if the economy goes down. Plus, for almost all of the rest of us, "Life" will suck.
     
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    .................and the American health profile is better than Italians ??........................IDTS
     
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    It is better here. Our health "system" has been heavily attacked in the Medía by the socialist-leaning reporting. The Affordable Care Act is being sued because it is crap; it takes too much from the private sector's initiative to self-regulate through free market dynamics, and "replaces" it with Gov't control; and everyone should know that Gov't is crap at running anything. It is useful when it is confined to regulation of private enterprise, not replacing it.

    Anyway, that's another (tangential) argument topic, which I believe Sal will put the kibosh on pronto.

    COVID-19 will be replaced by yet another threat of a pandemic, and another, and an endless "supply" of crises to control people with. That is the truly scary danger in all of this. I would rather expose my life to the threat of infection than allow my Nation to be turned into a mass of masked sheeple. Nobody with a mask on in Costco yesterday was making eye contact. Not a single person. That, my friends, is the dehumanizing, fragmenting of society beginning before our very eyes.
     
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  18. Nasscar

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    You make some pertinent points Merlin. As it unfolds down here in Australia, the so called elected persons in charge who are making all the decisions in relation to what businesses are considered not essential and what are, are really destroying thousands of peoples lives in an instant. Thousands of new unemployed each day as the so called non essential businesses are told to close. How are these people now going to pay their mortgages, rent or buy food for their families. This is all supposed to be to protect us all from this virus. It is a tragedy what is happening in Italy and a lot of the European countries at the moment but other tragedies not related to death are also playing out here right now.
     
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  19. eljay

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    Maybe some of us have been forced to learn the FACTS about this crisis a little earlier than others. We didn't need to depend on "socialist media" for our knowledge. One of my friends has a son working in Macau, another has sons teaching in Japan, a young friend's boyfriend's family all live in No. Italy, and yet another friend recently came home from spending several weeks in Seattle helping her daughter with her newborn. We've known for a long time that this can't be equated to a seasonal flu outbreak. We've seen what has worked so far and what hasn't, and all wondered for over a month why we weren't told to stay home much earlier than even my state and county got the message out.

    It's not to protect ourselves, and it's not to extend the lives of all us old people who evidently deserve to die anyway. (By the way, he-who-will-not-be-named, it is NOT primarily the old who are being affected by COVID-19. That's old fake news. And even if they do "take the bullet" and die for our economy, it won't stop the disease, but just spread it further and stress the healthcare system more in the process.) The precautions need to be taken to keep our medical system operating so that if your grandchild gets in a car accident the local hospital will be able to deal with his injuries. It's so essential workers can stay free of the disease and tend to our usual needs.

    Rant over.
     
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    ..............."pronto" , Geez Merlin now youre speaking Italian .......................run !!!! Bawaaaaa
     
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